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| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/03/06 at 05:01:55 Although I don't really have time to run a detailed TNM circuit at the moment, interesting ideas occasionally occur to me for potential circuits. I'd wager that even those who ARE running active circuits have some neat ideas that they haven't had a chance to use. The purpose of this thread is twofold. First: to share these ideas with each other, and second: to propose a method in which they might be implemented by those who need a shot of inspiration to start a new circuit. Since I'm starting this thread, I'll start it off. THE EXTREME OLYMPIAN Premise: On October 26, 1996, Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle made an appearance in ECW as a special guest commentator. The very same night, the controversial crucifixion of The Sandman by Raven occurred, shocking Angle to the point where he not only turned his back on pro-wrestling until 1998, but also threatened to sue Heyman if he was at all associated with the storyline. WHAT IF instead of being shocked by ECW's extreme adult-oriented storylines, he had been impressed with their athleticism and dedication... impressed enough to find a new direction in life long before he actually did in WWE? Player Promotion: Extreme Championship Wrestling Starting Date: November 1, 1996 Top Stars: Kurt Angle, Raven, Taz, The Sandman, Sabu, Rob Van Dam, Tommy Dreamer, Shane Douglas, Terry Funk, Mike Awesome, etc Tag Teams: The Pitbulls, The Dudley Boyz, The FBI, The Eliminators, The Gangstas Champions: World Champion: The Sandman. Tag Team Champions: The Gangstas. Television Champion: Shane Douglas. Special Rules: Fresh out of the Olympics, Kurt Angle is not a highly trained professional wrestler by any means, although his background in amateur wrestling and his remarkable talent lets him pick up skills quickly. With this early start, he has had only a week to learn the basics of pro-wrestling. Thus, it will take him some time to get to the point where he is now. Angle should start with a 70 in Workrate, a 90 in Charisma, and a push of your choice. Each year at the beginning of the year, his workrate increases by 10 and his Charisma by 5. Thus, his stats would be 70-90 for 1996, 80-95 for 1997, 90-100 for 1998, and finally in 1999 he'd hit his peak with 100-100. You may also want to retool Angle's gimmick, moveset, finisher, etc to reflect the ECW atmosphere. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/03/06 at 06:31:57 I think I just wet myself. Seriously, this is awesome Eric. It's like the dream scenarios on Madden Football games. This is really neat, and I think I may screw around with it offline. Thanks a lot for this idea. Hopefully this thread will be built up with a bunch of very interesting "What If..." Scenarios like this one. Again, thanks! ~Branden |
| FormulaFirebird91 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 05:57:35 I know I haven't posted on here in some time so first of all hey to everyone but second of all Eric I think this is a pretty sweet idea too. |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 06:08:54 Hey, great to see ya again, Firebird. :D I can't believe there has only been two hits on this post! I thought people would be chomping at the bit to add to this and what not. Eric, you don't happen to have a full roster list for that month of ECW, do you? I would like to start it up, but I can't seem to find that old Solies website that had roster lists. Any help would be great from anyone. ~Branden |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/04/06 at 07:01:32 Closest I could find was January 1997, which is only a couple months off. Looks like this: The Sandman, Taz, Tommy Dreamer, Pitbull Psycho Mike, Mikey Whipwreck, Pitbull Psycho Spike, Stevie Richards, "The Shaw" Hack Myers, Raven, Buelah McGillicuty, Francine, Buh-Buh Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, The Blue Meanie, Sabu, Rob Van Dam, "Hollywood" Bob Starr, Little Guido, "The Franchise" Shane Douglas, Sabu, "Prime Time" Brian Lee, Perry Saturn, John Kronus, New Jack, Mustafa Saed, Louie Spicolli, Spike Dudley, "Dr. Death" Steve Williams, Chris Candido, Terry Funk, Balls Mahoney, Davey Morton Jericho, Mike Awesome, Chris Van De Lay, Roadkill. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 07:12:50 Geez, that's an awesome ECW roster right there. It's a shame ECW never had a big time corporate backing. Of course, it wouldn't have been the same kind of promotion either. That scenario definitely will be fun for whoever decides to start booking it. I'll be looking forward to it! |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 07:21:06 Great, thanks Eric. But, I was always under the impression that Hack Myers was The Sandman? Is this not true? ~Branden |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 07:37:13On 06/04/06 at 07:21:06, Psymin1 wrote:Great, thanks Eric. But, I was always under the impression that Hack Myers was The Sandman? Is this not true?Hack Myers had "the Extreme Shah" gimmick. The Sandman is James Fullington. Hack Myers  The Sandman  For what it is worth, whenever Hack Myers would punch his opponent, the ECW crowd would shout "SHAAAAH". It was hilarious. |
| FormulaFirebird91 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 09:15:38 Psymin good to see you again man. I think the confusion with sandman and hack comes from Fullingtons short run in WCW as Raven's annoying friend/neighbor or whatever it was (Chastity was involved in that angle too if i remember right)... when he went as Hardcore Hack. I think anyway. I could be wrong... but that all sounds familiar to me. I didn't dream it did i? haha (On an edited note I might have a good what if to do... but I'm going to think about it some before I post it. ) |
| FormulaFirebird91 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 10:25:52 1997 Bret Hart signs and stays with WWF Change of Hart Premise: 1997 Vince McMahon having financial difficulties asks Bret Hart to back out of his lifetime contract opening the door for Bret to sign with WCW. WHAT IF Vince never had the change of "Hart" about Bret's lifetime contract. The screw job would never have happened and Bret would still have held the world title the night after Survivor Series. The defections of Davey Boy Smithand Jim Neidhart would probably not have taken place and most likely they would have remained together. What does this mean for the rise of Steve Austin? How does this affect Vince McMahon's "Evil" Mr. McMahon character as many see Survivor Series 97 as his defining moment of moprhing into that character. (also if you get far enough consider that Owen may never have joined the Nation, may never have tagged with Jeff Jarrett and probably would not have been in the rafters of Kemper Arena because I don't see Bret ever letting Owen be pushed into that situation) Starting Date: November 10, 1997 (Raw after Survivor Series) Top Stars: Bret hart, (A rising) Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, HHH, Owen Hart, (rising) The Rock, Ken Shamrock, Mankind/Dude Love/Cactus Jack Tag Teams: DOA, New Age Outlaws, Truth Commision, Los Borriquas, LOD, Godwins, Headbangers, The New Blackjacks The Whole Roster (according to a site i found): Bret "Hitman" Hart,"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, "The King of Harts" Owen Hart, The Sultan, Yokozuna, Jerry "The King" Lawler, "Bad Ass" Billy Gunn, Savio Vega, Bob "Spark Plugg" Holly, "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith, Henry O. Godwinn, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, "Goldust" Dustin Rhodes, Leif Cassidy, Ahmed Johnson, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, Phineous I. Godwinn, Big Van Vader, "Blackjack" Bradshaw, Mankind, "The Wildman" Marc Merro, Faarooq, Crush, "The World's Strongest Man" Mark Henry, "Blackjack" Windham, Rick "Razor Ramon" Bortgner, "Road Dog" Jesse James, Philip LaFon, Doug Furnas, Flash Funk, Rocky Miavia, Mosh, Thrasher, Brakus, Tiger Ali Singh, Hawk, Animal, "The World's Most Dangerous Man" Ken Shamrock, Scott Taylor, D-Lo Brown, Brian "Chainz" Lee, 8-Ball, Skull, "Too Sexy" Brian Christopher, Miguel Perez Jr., Jose Estrada Jr., Jesus Castillo, Scott Putski, Taka Michinoku, The Patriot, Recon, Interrogator, Sniper, Max Mini, El Torito, Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart, Jackyl, Jeff Jarrett, Glen Kulka, Steve Blackman, Aguila, Kane, Kama Mustafa Champions: World Champion: Bret Hart. Intercontinental Champion: Steve Austin. Tag Team Champions: Leigon Of Doom. European Champion: Shawn Michaels. Special Rules: There really aren't many special rules for this. Well we'll name two special rules then the rest are just things to consider. Especially concerning the title picture for the world title. Does WM14 turn into a rematch of last years Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin match only this time with the world title on the line? Does HBK still have to defend the Euro title against HHH? If so will he just hand it over to him? Rule number 1: HBK's back will still be on the fritz he has to quit by no later than WM14 but you could have him leave sooner as he does not have the world title to keep him going until then. What does this do to DX? Does HHH still reform after WM with new members? Or will he have gone another way due to Shawn leaving sooner? Rule #2: Austin hands the Rock the I.C. title on the December 8, 1997 edition of Raw. The world title picture could be completely different for years to come and this move will ultimatley save Bret Hart's wrestling career as he won't get mule kicked in the head by a guy named goldberg. We'll be saving two careers and one life in this scenario. Bret and Owen both. You can take it from here. This one is pretty wide open as far as your own ideas go with things. I left it loose on purpose but it's a pretty cool what if when yout hink about it given how it could affect so many people and really change the face of what the WWF/WWE would become as well as creating a better finish to Bret Hart's career (oh and after thinking about it... might actually save 2 lives... Davey Boy Smith would have never had his back messed up thanks to a trap door belonging to the incandesence of verbosity himself, so maybe he wouldn't have OD'd later on... nah he probably still would have but you never know one little change can affect a lot of things. :) ) |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 17:06:44 Yeah, DBS prolly still would have OD'd. I read somewhere that the trap door thing was his fault because was....not sober. I don't remember what was up with him, but something was that night. So I read, anyway. And, yes, it was Hardcore Hak that I was thinking of, thank you. This scenario looks to be just as good as the first. Great idea, Firebird, I look forward to messing around with that one, too. Thanks! This is prolly one of my favorite threads to date. ~Branden |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/04/06 at 17:51:25 Heh heh heh. I figured that one would come up sooner or later in some form. I've got another idea, but I'm going to need a few days to figure it out in more detail. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| FormulaFirebird91 | Posted on 06/04/06 at 18:33:07 Yeah i couldn't sleep last night and it seemed like probably the biggest what if of all time I suppose. lol I have a few more smaller ones in mind but need time to work them out. This thread is way cool. I hope to see some other ideas on here. Can't wait to see what Eric has cooked up next too. lol Branden your welcome with the Hak thing. I forgot he spelled it like that didn't he? Your probably right about DBS. You just gotta be careful hanging around the Hart Foundation I guess. You know that seemed to be a jinx in itself. Maybe their is a scenario there. Bret Hart (concusion and stroke drive him out of the biz) Pilllman (deceased) Davey Boy Smith (Deceased) Owne Hart (desceased) Curse of the foundation. No wonder we never see Jim Neidhart. He's probably locked in a room to keep death away ala Final Destination. lol |
| Unright | Posted on 06/08/06 at 03:55:30 Different World Order Premise: As everyone knows Scott Hall and Kevin Nash "invaded" WCW in June of 1996 and started the nWo angle that made WCW the strongest rival the WWF had faced in decades. But what if... it was Shawn Michaels and Triple H that started the nWo angle? Do they have enough charisma to pull off the angle of the century? Player's Promotion: World Championship Wrestling Starting Date: June 6th, 1996 Roster: http://www.solie.org/roster.html Champions: WCW World Champ: The Giant, WCW US Champ: Konnan, WCW World Tag Team Champs: Sting & Lex Luger, WCW Television Champ: Lex Luger, WCW Cruiserweight Champ: Dean Malenko Special Rules: In 1996 Hunter Hearst Helmsley was a midcarder working a lame Aristocrat gimmick, plus the WWF owns the rights to the name. He wouldn't have the impact of Scott Hall, but he is full of untapped potential that WCW wasted before. Of course, it might be more interesting to have a Shawn Michaels and a different WWF big name jump ship. The Undertaker? Ultimate Warrior? Owen Hart? Jeff Jarrett? Yokozuna? ;) Also, both Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels have huge egos and don't get along. So a different 3rd partner should be found Who would it be? Ric Flair? The Giant? Sting? Randy Savage? The Road Warriors? |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/08/06 at 06:20:42 AN EXTREME SCREWJOB Premise: On August 27, 1994 Shane Douglas defeated 2 Cold Scorpio in the finals of a tournament to win the NWA World Heavyweight Title. The NWA had been critically damaged by the withdrawl of WCW, and was hoping to generate hype for a rebirth through a massive tournament designed to crown a new champion. ECW management took advantage of this hype by instructing Shane Douglas to throw down the NWA World Heavyweight Title and declare the ECW Heavyweight Title as a World Title in its stead. This controversy provided a launchpad for six dizzying years of rapid growth in ECW, until financial problems finally caused the promotion to collapse under its own weight. WHAT IF the NWA had somehow learned of ECW's plans? A few well placed bribes ensured that the referee would screw Douglas with a fast count, giving the NWA World Heavyweight Title to 2 Cold Scorpio. Lacking this controversy to build on, and being summarily expelled from the NWA after the end of the evening, ECW languishes in obscurity in a Philadelphia bingo hall. The NWA, on the other hand, rides the controversy in an attempt to recapture its former glory. Player Promotion: The National Wrestling Alliance Starting Date: September 1, 1994 Top Stars: 2 Cold Scorpio, Chris Candido, Dan Severn, Greg Valentine, Chris Benoit, Matt Borne, Dean Malenko Tag Teams: Rock n' Roll Express, Dick Murdock & Randy Rhodes, PG-13 Champions: World Champion: 2 Cold Scorpio, Junior-Heavyweight Champion: Inactive, Tag Team Champions: Inactive, North American Champion: Awarded to Greg Valentine in October 1994. Special Rules: Being discovered and forced out of the NWA had a demoralizing effect on the ECW locker room, to the extent that several ECW stars and tag teams of your choice sided with the NWA. The only wrestler who is NOT elligable for this is Shane Douglas himself, who has naturally been blacklisted from appearing in any NWA affiliate. Wrestlers who historically joined ECW are likely to join the new NWA at around the same period they did in real life. Additionally, since the NWA is promoting a more mainstream product than ECW did, you can lure away 1 midcarder each year from both the WWF and WCW. However, since you have much less financial backing than the big two, you can't sign any of your wrestlers to more than 1 year contracts at a time. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| americamamushi | Posted on 06/08/06 at 17:30:05 These are really interesting. I'd love to see someone pick up the ball and run with one sometime. :) |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/09/06 at 04:00:23 Damn, those last two were great also! I just hope the first person to pick one of these up and run it publicly on the boards actually has some longevity with it. I would really like to see where they go with any of these. Again, awesome idea Eric. ~Branden |
| FormulaFirebird91 | Posted on 06/09/06 at 04:30:17 Definatley more awesome ideas. Love both the ECW and Different world order ones. Unright and Eric both great jobs on those ideas. This is cool. I gotta think up another one. |
| SnDvls316 | Posted on 06/09/06 at 23:28:46 I'm not quite as creative with all the ideas and stipulations, but. What if Arn & Tully had never left for the WWF? to kind of go against that now What if the 4 horsemen were reformed in the WWF? What if DDP had joined the nWo? and finally, What if Hulk Hogan had not beaten the Iron Sheik? |
| triad4evr | Posted on 06/10/06 at 02:32:55 What if "Sting's Army" (Sting whispering in the ears of everybody before dumping them with the Reverse DDT) actually _went_ somewhere during the fall of the nWo Empire in WCW? I mean, that was supposed to go _someplace_ right? |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/10/06 at 04:04:50On 06/10/06 at 02:32:55, triad4evr wrote:What if "Sting's Army" (Sting whispering in the ears of everybody before dumping them with the Reverse DDT) actually _went_ somewhere during the fall of the nWo Empire in WCW? I mean, that was supposed to go _someplace_ right?Not gonna lie, I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I am very interested to find out, though. Could someone explain this a little bit more? ~Branden |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/10/06 at 07:01:21 Eric, I am having a hell of a time finding a full roster list for the NWA in September of 1994. Solies only lists WCW and WWE in 1994. Do you have this roster somewhere, or can anyone else post the whole NWA roster for as close to September 1994 as possible? Google hasn't helped me on this one... ~Branden |
| meetzorak | Posted on 06/10/06 at 08:16:07 What if Aldo Montoya made it? Whit if Dan Sevren got pushed more then Ken Shamrock? What if Matt Hardy made it in WWF but Jeff never did and got signed to ECW? What if Big Bossman won the Hell in the Cell against Undertaker? |
| Justin | Posted on 06/10/06 at 14:02:55 What if Brock Lesnar decided to stay in the WWE instead of pursuing an NFL career? |
| Unright | Posted on 06/10/06 at 16:09:33 Mistaken Identity Premise: If you recall, when Owen Hart was doing the Blue Blazer gimmick, he was also teaming with Jeff Jarrett. At one time they traded off the Blue Blazer gimmick to mess with Steve Blackman. Now at the Over the Edge '99 PPV, the world witnessed tragedy as the Blue Blazer fel to his death before a match against the Godfather. But what if... it was Jeff Jarrett under the costume and not Owen Hart? Now at that time Jarrett was a strong midcard/upper midcarder. Nobody suspected that he would go on to eventually form TNA with his father. For the sake of this scenario, we'll assume that Owen Hart essentially followed in Jarrett's footsteps and created a national fed to take on Vince McMahon (or he could have elevated Stampede Wrestling to that level). Player Promotion: A national level fed (TNA, Stampede, whatever..) Starting Date: May 2002 Top Stars: Owen Hart, Bret Hart, probably a strong canadian roster with some of the original TNA stars (Styles, Low-Ki, Shamrock, etc..) Special Rules: Look up Matt Harms' TNA ruleset on www.tnmuk.com and follow it. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 06/10/06 at 23:39:28On 06/10/06 at 07:01:21, Psymin1 wrote:Eric, I am having a hell of a time finding a full roster list for the NWA in September of 1994. Solies only lists WCW and WWE in 1994. Do you have this roster somewhere, or can anyone else post the whole NWA roster for as close to September 1994 as possible? Google hasn't helped me on this one...That's because the National Wrestling Alliance was not a promotion and it never was. It was an alliance of many independent promotions. However, in 1994, the NWA wasn't exactly doing so well considering WCW had left it a year earlier. The only recognizable promotion was Eastern Championship Wrestling and they left after Shane Douglas threw the NWA belt down. I think you're getting confused with how Jim Crockett Promotions referred to themselves as NWA when they purchased many of the promotions like CWF, GCW, St. Louis, etc. However, the NWA and Jim Crockett Promotions and later WCW were two separate entities altogether. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/11/06 at 02:42:30 Unfortunately, most likely no roster exists. The fact that I couldn't find anything was a large part of the delay. I based the "top stars" and "tag teams" section on wrestlers who competed in the big 1994 tournament, plus on NWA titleholders from around that time period. In terms of generating a roster, I suggest you start with those two lists, and fill in the blanks with stolen ECW midcard talent and your two WWF/WCW steals for the year. The What If scenario I proposed assumed that ECW's impending defection galvanized NWA management and members into tightening the alliance into a more structured group capable of touring the entire country. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Psymin1 | Posted on 06/11/06 at 06:13:45On 06/10/06 at 23:39:28, HugeRockStar760 wrote:Damn, you're right. That is exactly why I was mixing things up. I watched a few old taped a while back with Flair and Dusty as headliners (along with Blanchard and Ole Anderson, and all the greats) and it said it was NWA, but it was Jim Crockett promotions. Thanks for clearing that up for me, HRS, I appreciate it. ~Branden |
| americamamushi | Posted on 06/11/06 at 06:43:41 Thought I'd try my hand at one. The wrestler selection should be fairly close to accurate going from WWF shows in 82 and 81 along with wrestlers mentioned in title histories in those years. This isn't meant to encompass the entire NWA mind you so there are obviously more possibilities down the line. Tag team options are a little lacking, I know, but like I said, there are more possibilities around the wrestling world at that time, I'm just going off who I found for sure to be around somewhat regularly in the territory around 1982. [hr] Premise: In 1982 Vincent K. McMahon purchased Capitol Sports and the WWF from his father Vincent J. McMahon. At this point the WWF was associated with the NWA for the second time in it's history. After purchasing the company from his father, Vincent K. McMahon would attempt to change the face of professional wrestling forever by undermining the territory system that have been the sport's foundation for so long by trying to take his federation into other territories and tour the nation with his "sports entertainment." What if Vincent K. McMahon hadn't left the NWA and not only stayed, but continued to honor the territory system. Would he have continued to push "sports entertainment?" or would he have toned down the idea to better mesh with the NWA as a whole? And even if he didn't encroach on other territories, if he controlled a wrestler that held the NWA title, would try and keep that wrestler mainly defending his title within his own Northeastern territory like his father and Toots Mondt did with Buddy Rogers during the federations first NWA membership? Player Promotion: WWF Starting Date: 1982 Available Stars to Start with: Bob Backlund, Rene Goulet, Jose Estrada, Dominic DeNucci, Greg Gange, Pat Patterson, Chavo Guerrero (Sr), Larry Sharpe, Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan, Tony Atlas, Ken Patera, Pedro Morales, Johnny Rodz, Ivan Putski, Bruno Sammartino, Lary Zbysko, Rick Martel, Rick McGraw, Les Thornton, Tony Garea, Harley Race, Don Muraco, Tito Santana, Rocky Johnson, Greg Valentine, Killer Khan, Adrian Adonis, Blackjack Mulligan, Jimmy Snuka, Jesse Ventura, Billy Graham, Buddy Rose, Curt Hennig, Bob Orton Jr., Eddie Gilbert, Swede Hansen, Big John Studd, Ray Stevens, Angelo Mosca Tag Teams: Mr. Fuji & Mr. Saito, The Wild Samoans (Afa & Sika), Chief Jay Strongbow & Jules Strongbow Champions: NWA World Champion; Ric Flair, WWF Heavyweight Champion; Bob Backlund, WWF Tag Team Champions; Mr. Fuji & Mr. Saito, WWF Intercontinental Champion; Pedro Morales Optional Titles at your Disposal: WWF Junior Heavyweight Champion; Vacant, NWA Womens World Champion; Fabulous Moolah (Roving title), NWA Women's World Tag Team Champions; Joyce Grable & Vicki Williams (Roving title) Special Rules: You can only hold shows within your territory. You must keep in mind that the NWA World title is a roving title and is defended all across not only the nation, but the world. NWA World title changes do not have to occur within your circuit or on a card you produce. When you start you have working relationships with New Japan Pro Wrestling as well as the Universal Wrestling Association in Mexico. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 06/11/06 at 07:09:31 That rules you wrote for the WWF in 1982 would be a good foundation for a throwback SuperFed type collection of circuits. Basically, one would control the WWF, another would control Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling, Championship Wrestling from Florida, WCCW, Georgia Championship Wrestling, etc etc etc. I've always wanted someone to start a NWA classic alliance. However, it probably would be hard to run, but there are rules on Liller's website. I think it would be rather interesting to see classic wrestling and see how things would be different than how things went. |
| cbf88 | Posted on 06/11/06 at 21:00:59 Is their any place I can get rosters for mid-atlantic, georgia, and different regions. Or did they move around to much. |
| triad4evr | Posted on 06/11/06 at 23:14:50 Psymin, there was a time I remember when the nWo was starting to suck bigtime when Sting was doing his rafters thing and every so often, he'd appear behind, primarily, faces, whisper something in their ear, and then dump them with the Reverse DDT- somebody, maybe Mike Teenay, postulated that Sting was recruiting an "army" to oppose the nWo- but the angle went noplace and eventually Sting went red-and-black and just joined the nWo. I remember specifically that Sting dumped Rick Steiner and Jeff Jarret during this whatever it was. This happened off and on on Monday Nitro. I always wondered where it was supposed to go, but with all the inmates running the asylum back then, it never went anyplace. On 06/10/06 at 04:04:50, Psymin1 wrote: |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/16/06 at 05:12:49 HULKAMANIA PREVENTED Premise: On January 23, 1984, Hulk Hogan defeated the Iron Sheik to win his first WWF World Title. This inaugurated the "Rock N' Wrestling" era, which catapulted WWF from its position as a powerful promotion in the Northeastern territory to a true national promotion. Few know, however, how close this came to not coming to pass. Legend has it that AWA promoter Verne Gagne approached the Iron Sheik with an offer - shoot on Hulk Hogan and seriously injure him in exchange for a considerable sum of money. Sheik was a loyal company man, however, and informed Vince McMahon of the offer. McMahon promptly offered him twice as much to drop the title, and booked the match as a total squash to make sure Iron Sheik didn't have a chance to change his mind. WHAT IF the Iron Sheik had not been so loyal? A legitimate badass, the Iron Sheik shoots on Hogan, causing him a serious enough injury that Hogan leaves the sport to concentrate on his "acting" instead. This leaves Iron Sheik looking like a true monster heel, and one of the most popular wrestlers of all time a non-factor in the future of the sport. Player Promotion: World Wrestling Federation Starting Date: February 1, 1984 Top Stars: Iron Sheik, Andre the Giant, Don Muraco, Tito Santana, Greg Valentine, Sgt. Slaughter, Bob Backlund, Chief Jay Strongbow, Jimmy Snuka, Roddy Piper, Paul Orndorff Tag Teams: Rocky Johnson & Tony Atlas, The British Bulldogs, The Wild Samoans, Mr. Fuji & Tiger Chung Lee, The Invaders Champions: World Champion: The Iron Sheik. Intercontinental Champion: Don Muraco. Tag Team Champions: Rocky Johnson & Tony Atlas. Special Rules: Without Hulk Hogan as his megastar, Vince McMahon's plans of rapid expansion are something he will have to work toward much more slowly. You will therefore have a much more difficult time signing big names from other territories such as Ricky Steamboat, Ted DiBiase, Randy Savage, etc. When signing new talent, if TNM declares a wrestler is not interested in working for you, you cannot try to recruit him again for 1 year. If a wrestler leaves your promotion, you cannot attempt to hire him back for 2 years. Finally, you can never employ Hulk Hogan. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/24/06 at 06:15:31 WORSTCASE SCENARIO Premise: The wrestling industry is in a major upswing. WWE's ratings are slowly climbing back towards the heights they held during the attitude era, TNA is growing rapidly thanks to successful house show tours, and ECW is thriving under the WWE umbrella after a shaky start. It's a great time to be a wrestling fan. WHAT IF this upswing occurred all at once? While this growth is great for the industry in general, the larger promotions eye Ring of Honor's talent pool hungrily, both to expand their rosters and to prevent their rivals from doing so. TNA starts things off by pulling their contracted talent from ROH shows. AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Homicide, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, Alex Shelley and Commissioner Jim Cornette all depart in short order. While Samoa Joe's contract allows him to ignore this edict, he quickly agrees to wrap up his ROH involvement when threatened with the loss of his winning streak at the hands of Monty Brown. WWE/ECW notes this, and quickly signs several more hot prospects from ROH, leaving the new little promotion that could with a seriously depleted talent roster and serious competition in their key markets from ECW and TNA. Player Promotion: Ring of Honor Starting Date: Present Top Stars: "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, Nigel McGuinness, Jimmy Rave, Colt Cabana, Davey Richards, BJ Whitmer, Adam Pearce, Ricky Reyes, The Necro Butcher Tag Teams: The Briscoe Brothers, Irish Airborn, Matt Sydal and Jack Evans, The Kings of Wrestling, The Ring Crew Express Champions: World Champion: "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson. Tag Team Champions: Vacant. Pure Title: Nigel McGuinness. Special Rules: Samoa Joe is, unfortunately, on his way out of your promotion. He can appear up to twice a month for three months, and after that he will no longer be available to you. Additionally, pick one tag team and three wrestlers from the above list. All of them are unavailable to you from the start, having been signed by WWE/ECW. This may include champions - you've already lost your Tag Team Champions to TNA. All is not lost, however. Pick one of the remaining wrestlers from the above list. This wrestler is loyal to you, and will not leave your promotion under any circumstances. Under no circumstances are you allowed to bring in any wrestlers under contract to WWE, ECW, or TNA. If any wrestler (other than your loyal wrestler) signs with one of these companies in real life, they do so in the game as well. Additionally, you must honor any quitting/giving notice/refusing to re-sign. If they are not presently under contract with WWE, ECW, or TNA, you may attempt to bring them back after 1 year. You'll want to start working right away on building up a new credible roster. It'll take a while and a number of new names to stabilize the situation, however. Keep in mind that your fans are extremely particular, and will not happily accept new wrestlers being catapulted to the top of the card out of nowhere. They will have to work their way up from the lower and mid card for the crowd to seriously get behind them. Remember, if the crowd senses desperation, they have plenty of other options available to them, so book smart. One thing you can take advantage of is strong working relationships with foreign promotions. You can bring 1 foreign wrestler in for a 4 month tour per year, plus up to 4 foreign wrestlers for their own doubleshot. Finally, you can cross-promote up to 2 shows with other promotions in a given year. Keep these options in mind and use them to discretely build new talent. Your starting roster should look something like this, minus the wrestlers who left: "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, Nigel McGuinness, Jimmy Rave, Colt Cabana, Davey Richards, BJ Whitmer, Adam Pearce, Ricky Reyes, The Necro Butcher, Jay Briscoe, Mark Briscoe, Matt Sydal, Jack Evans, Chris Hero, Claudio Castignolli, Jake Crist, David Crist, Ace Steel, Delirious, Jimmy Jacobs, Dunn, Marcos, Flash Flannagan, Trik Davis, Jay Fury, Shane Hagadorn, Pele Primeau, Bobby Dempsey, Derrick Dempsey, Mitch Franklin, etc. You also have Julius Smokes, Lacey, Allison Danger, and Prince Nana available as managers. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Anubis | Posted on 06/24/06 at 21:46:02 Well I put my idea over in the TNM Circuit thread. Should I move it here? I"m still waiting for some more replies over there before I actually do it, because I only wanna do it if there is enough interest. Here was the original post for those of you who didn't read it over there (and since this seems to be the proper place for it): On 06/22/06 at 07:05:55, Anubis wrote:How interested would people be to read an "Ultimate Multiverse Wrestling" TNM circuit? The idea would be that anyone anywhere could participate. On 06/22/06 at 08:11:02, Anubis wrote:I actually hadn't decided. Would it be better with full storylines and stuff? If so, then yes, there'd be storylines. On 06/23/06 at 08:21:01, Anubis wrote:Oh, and one more question, who should my announcers be (and how many should I have)?Basically, I'm just waiting for the answers to the last couple of questions. That and waiting to see how interested people are. I think it might be interesting, although it'd be a bit weird, but I have a lot of ideas floating around in my head. |
| Matteus | Posted on 06/27/06 at 06:26:01 Undisputed Premise: Fresh off his SummerSlam win against the Rock, new Undisputed champion Brock Lesnar is slated to face RAW superstar and new number one contender Triple H as his first challenger. But to Eric Bischoff (and everyone else's) surprise, Stephanie McMahon has signed the champion and the championship to a SmackDown! exclusive contract! Left without a world champion, Bischoff is prepared to re-introduce the WCW championship as the RAW-exclusive World Heavyweight championship. WHAT IF... Vince caught wind of this and refused to allow another world championship to cheapen his creation. RAW is left with the Intercontinental title as it's main singles belt, and althouh they still have the tag team belts to help their cause, their highest-profile superstar, Triple H is poised to jump ship at year's end, realizing his futures as a singles competitor lay with SmackDown! Despite a talented, though fairly raw roster, RAW is relegated to B-show status and must make it's championships and superstars more credible without the top prize in the wrestling world. Player Promotion: WWE Raw brand Starting Date: September 2, 2002 Starting Roster: Triple H, Rob Van Dam, Christian, Lance Storm, Test, Goldust, Johnny Stamboli, Steven Richards, Crash Holly, Bradshaw, Justin Credible, D-Lo Brown, Raven, Booker T, Bubba Dudley, Spike Dudley, William Regal, Chris Nowinski, Rosey, Jamal, Jeff Hardy, Kane, Tommy Dreamer, Jackie, Victoria, Shawn Stasiak, Trish Stratus, Ric Flair, Terri, Mark Jindrak, Doug Basham Tag Teams: the UnAmericans (Test, Christian, Lance Storm, William Regal), Three Minute Warning, The Dudleys, Booker T & Goldust Champions: Intercontinental champion and Hardcore champion: Rob Van Dam, World Tag Team champions: Lance Storm and Christian,Women's champion: Molly Holly Special Rules: Triple H can finish out the year as a RAW superstar, but after that he's going on to seek greener pastures on SD! On the plus side, Shawn Michaels will be available as of November, and will stick around RAW to put the younger generation over rather than seeking out another world title. As the only brand with the WWE World Tag Team titles, Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas go to RAW instead as of January 1, 2003. You can either keep the IC and Hardcore titles unified or un-unify them to have more titles on your show. In the latter case, RVD is still both champions and will defend both belts as you see fit. You may shift wrestlers between rosters as they did in real time, but don't have to... and you can also go along with the original Draft Lottery switches if you like. |
| djmasterscooter | Posted on 06/27/06 at 15:08:55 Taking a page from Anubis, I had an idea involving my action figures from when I was a child. I had a load of these guys and would always put on wrestling shows with these things. Now taking it to a new level, through a lot of creation, taking action figures from all walks of life (not just wrestling figures), we will see what it would be like if Batman faced Superman, or the Ninja Turtles fought the Power Rangers, and etc. I only post this idea now, because I thought it didn't have potential before, but thanks to Anubis, I'm giving this idea the full steam ahead. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 06/28/06 at 02:18:38 I hate to be Captain Buzzkill on the Hulkamania prevented post, but Tony Atlas was originally slated to be the one to unseat the Iron Shiek to win the WWF Title. Then Atlas disappeared and Jesse Ventura was going to be given the Title. Then Ventura developed his problem with blood clots in his legs thusly preventing him from taking a bump and ended his in-ring wrestling career. This is when Vince Jr. called upon Thunderlips to beat the Iron Shiek. And if Hogan hadn't been the third "chosen one", I am sure that someone else would have been elevated... even perhaps the Shiek himself turning face. Who knows with Insane Vinny Mac and his entourage running things. |
| Justin | Posted on 06/28/06 at 02:29:38 But if you were to believe Hogan's autobiography (which reads like fiction "The World According To Hulk") you would be led to believe that it was always supposed to be him, which may be where the thinking for the "What If" comes from. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 06/28/06 at 02:38:19 believe hogan?!? ROTFLMAO.... gets back up.... falls back down like Vince McMahon in the poo bath on RAW ROTFLMAO yet again.... Thanks... I needed that laugh. He's the king of revisionist history... heck I bet he'd tell you that Britney Spears stole his daughter's gimmick if you let him. And that it wasn't really him pseudo-guitar playing in that Vince McMahon classic video "Stand Back". |
| Justin | Posted on 06/28/06 at 03:09:07 Hey I didn't say I believed it. I just said "if". I know that he's full of more crap than they dumped on Vinnie last night. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 06/28/06 at 05:32:09On 06/28/06 at 02:18:38, Rick Garrard wrote:I hate to be Captain Buzzkill on the Hulkamania prevented post, but Tony Atlas was originally slated to be the one to unseat the Iron Shiek to win the WWF Title. Then Atlas disappeared and Jesse Ventura was going to be given the Title. Then Ventura developed his problem with blood clots in his legs thusly preventing him from taking a bump and ended his in-ring wrestling career. This is when Vince Jr. called upon Thunderlips to beat the Iron Shiek.I wasn't aware of all of that going on. My goodness, Mr. McMahon was a busy, busy man during Sheik's less than one-month long title reign if that many plans crashed and burned! ;D And if Hogan hadn't been the third "chosen one", I am sure that someone else would have been elevated... even perhaps the Shiek himself turning face. Who knows with Insane Vinny Mac and his entourage running things.Thus the What If scenario. The scenario presumes that, regardless of the quality of the product, any Plan D would have been an inferior choice in terms of draw power, thus preventing (or at least delaying) the WWF's conquest of the old Territory system. Whether it truly would have been is another issue entirely, and one which is outside of the scope of the scenario. By all means though, Rick, feel free to post your own departure from reality in scenario form. I'd be interested to see how you'd have events unfold. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| 91 | Posted on 06/28/06 at 21:59:14On 06/28/06 at 02:18:38, Rick Garrard wrote:Jesse Ventura was going to be given the Title. Then Ventura developed his problem with blood clots in his legs thusly preventing him from taking a bump and ended his in-ring wrestling career.Ventura? Surely not, the guy was a heel and they NEVER had heel vs heel stuff back then. |
| Justin | Posted on 06/28/06 at 22:21:52 I'm sure they would have turned Jesse to become the "All American Hero" that Hogan was made. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 06/29/06 at 06:54:11 If they could turn the Incredible Hulk Hogan managed by Classie Freddie Blassie from heel to face, then they could have easily turned the technicolor locks of Jesse Ventura from heel to face. |
| dabirdman | Posted on 06/29/06 at 20:39:11 Hey Matteus Your idea of the undisputed what if looks interesting I think I'll try that one, If it looks promissing I'll post the results, Again great Idea |
| Justin | Posted on 06/30/06 at 04:50:24 Could you also split the Euro title back away from the I-C title in the Undisputed scenerio? In which case RVD would hold 3 titles. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 06/30/06 at 05:39:45 Someone needs to find a way to one up the Ultimo Dragon with his 8 belt championship that he once held and find a way to put 9 belts on RVD at the same time. ;) |
| dabirdman | Posted on 06/30/06 at 06:13:56 lol Just have someone walk behind RVD with a trunk full of titles or have people walk behind him like Tyson use to do with each one holding a belt. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 06/30/06 at 07:29:20 After random reading i had an idea for another one, please excuse the abbriviated nature of the description, i haven't the energy to make it better. :) [hr] Premise: In December of 1995 a face appeared in the WWF that would in the years to come change the face of pro wrestling, though no one knew it at the time. Steve Austin entered the WWF as the Ringmaster, managed by Ted DiBiase, but Austin was not their first choice for the role... WHAT IF WWF had gotten their first choice, Chris Benoit? Would Chris Benoit become the breakout star of the mid to late 90s? Or would he have fizzled in the mid-cards, unable to break the glass ceiling broken by Austin? Player Promotion: WWF Starting Date: December 1995 or January 1996 Champions: WWF World Heavyweight Champ; Bret Hart, WWF World Tag Team Champs; The Smoking Gunns, WWF Intercontinental Champ; Razor Ramone Special Rules: You cannot bring in Steve Austin for at least a year. Even then you are not bringing in "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, you are bringing in "Stunning" Steve or "Superstar" Steve, not the main eventer we've come to known in real life. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 06/30/06 at 07:42:32On 06/30/06 at 05:39:45, Rick Garrard wrote:Someone needs to find a way to one up the Ultimo Dragon with his 8 belt championship that he once held and find a way to put 9 belts on RVD at the same time. ;)When Ultimo used to come out on WCW TV with Sonny Ono and his 8 belts, was that during the time he held the WWF Light Heavyweight title? Cause that'd be amusing having a WWF title on WCW programming... I mean... without it being thrown in the trash by Madusa. :) Of course, they didn't officially recognize the title before something like 1997, but it was still technically a "WWF title," something WCW couldn't jumped on despite it's unofficial status during the Monday Night Wars. |
| 91 | Posted on 06/30/06 at 08:32:04On 06/30/06 at 05:39:45, Rick Garrard wrote:Someone needs to find a way to one up the Ultimo Dragon with his 8 belt championship that he once held and find a way to put 9 belts on RVD at the same time. ;)He was also the last hardcore champion, that's 4. |
| dabirdman | Posted on 06/30/06 at 08:37:32 According to what I can find he at one point had 9 titles at one time WCW Crusierweight, J- Crown Title, IWGP Junior lightweight, NWA Welterweight, NWA Middleweight, UWA World Jr. Lightweight, UWA Worlds Middleweight, WWA World Jr. Light Heavyweight and the British Commonwealth Jr. Heavyweight In all he has won 22 titles WCW TV (2); WCW Cruiser (2); J-Crown (1); IWGP Junior (2); NWA Welterweight (2); NWA Middleweight (2); UWA World Jr. Light Heavyweight (2); UWA World Middleweight (3) - once under Yoshihiro Asai; WWF Lightheavyweight (1); WWA World Jr. Light Heavyweight (1); British Commonwealth Jr. Heavyweight (2); WAR International Jr. Light Heavyweight (3); WAR 6-Man Tag(1) Far short of Jim Lawlers 200+ titles |
| Justin | Posted on 06/30/06 at 13:50:31He was also the last hardcore champion, that's 4.The hardcore title was mentioned in the original scenario... so its only 3. |
| dabirdman | Posted on 07/01/06 at 08:31:39 Hey, I'm working on the Raw What if but can't seem to find Umunga/Jamal/O.g Fatu/Ekmo Fatu....Know where I can find the guy or who I can clone if in export isn't availible? thanks |
| americamamushi | Posted on 07/01/06 at 11:46:53On 07/01/06 at 08:31:39, dabirdman wrote:Hey,have you checked TNMUK? |
| dabirdman | Posted on 07/01/06 at 18:51:32 I found it |
| Atom_Bomb | Posted on 07/03/06 at 09:05:48 Here is my contribution, something ive been thinking about for a while now. All Japan Pro Wrestling Reborn When the rumor of wrestlers defecting to form a new company (NOAH), AJPW decided to make one last effort to persuade their workers from leaving. A giant event was scheduled in the Tokyo Dome, a giant night of classic Puro wrestling from some of Japans best. The nights main event was scheduled to be.... Misawa vs. Muto for the Tripple Crown! AJPW officials were hoping to show Misawa that he is a valuable member of the roster, and that his tallents would best be shocased within an AJPW ring. The night went off without a hitch, untill the main event. Misawa and Muto were scheduled for a 60 minute draw, a showcare of competition not found in any of the other Japanese wrestling companies. Alas, things never go as planned. Fourty-five minutes into the match, with the fans almost frothing at the mouth in anticipation, Misawa did the unthinkable! He began no-selling Mutos offence, and countering with super stiff elbows and knee strikes. Muto was clearly taken by surprise by Misawas uncooperation. The biggest surprise was yet to come. With 8 minutes remaining in the match, Misawa accomplished the incredible! He dropped Muto directly on his head via a Tiger Driver, and covered him for the victory! Misawa is the new Tripple Crown Champion! After the show, Misawa announced to the press that he is leaving AJPW to form a new company, NOAH! Your Mission, should you choose to accept Is to either..... - Create a new company (NOAH), with Misawa as Tripple Crown Champion. Who has he recruited from AJPW? What freelance wrestlers, that have heard about the new oppertunity for work, have decided to join Misawa? - OR - - Play as All Japan Pro Wrestling. When Misawa leaves the company, the roster is devistated. How will you re-build the roster, and re-build the fans intrest in the failing company? Without the tradition of the Tripple Crown, what will you do to create a new legacy, a new Championship for AJPW? |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 07/03/06 at 09:48:35 Although I don't follow puro style wrestling, that was a well written and interesting scenario. Now, if anyone with lucha experience could write a What If scenario for a lucha promotion (AAA or CMLL), I'd definitely try that one out. I've been watching the lucha programs on Galavision for the past few weeks, and it's exciting wrestling and characters. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 07/03/06 at 11:38:25On 07/03/06 at 09:48:35, HugeRockStar760 wrote:Now, if anyone with lucha experience could write a What If scenario for a lucha promotion (AAA or CMLL), I'd definitely try that one out. I've been watching the lucha programs on Galavision for the past few weeks, and it's exciting wrestling and characters.Here's a quickie: In 1992 Antonio Pena and a few others left their positions in CMLL to form AAA, taking such stars as La Parka Jr (AAA current La Parka) Cibernetico, Konnan, Vampiro, and Shocker and other younger talents from CMLL's roster. WHAT IF Antonio Pena and others had stayed with CMLL and no AAA had been formed? A few possible ideas for how to play it... Play as UWA, since without AAA around there was no one to push them out of business Play as CMLL with deep roster to build talent from since without Pena forming AAA, they still would've had many of their younger stars around Probably the easiest choice and in my opinion possibly the most interesting... Start new promotion. It can be Pena breaking away and starting AAA or it can have a different name, but the split didn't happen in 1992, it's happening now in 2006. You can only pull away younger and newer talents from the current CMLL & AAA IRL rosters and one more established star to headline your company has decided to come with you as well, but it can't be someone that currently holds a CMLL or AAA title. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 07/03/06 at 17:36:56 You're awesome Mamushi. I like the latter scenario about not starting the theoretical split until currently. I think someone would have to be a lucha expert in under to run a 1992 version of the scenario accurately. It's too bad Galavision only shows AAA now. It'd be nice to watch both AAA and CMLL to see what the wrestlers or luchadores rather, are like on both shows Cibernetico freakin' rules. He looks like a lucha version of Triple H and even has a bad ass group protecting him (Secta de Cibernetico). McMahonism has nothing on the Secta. I'm surprised the WWE hasn't tried to acquire more lucha stars for the new ECW or even for RAW or Smackdown. Of course, they'd have La Parka and Shocker on lawnmowers, but whatever. Intocable is like the next Shawn Michaels in AAA. You either love or hate the guy. I never see the fans give wrestlers the middle finger in AAA, but when Intocable did his dance, I swear, one of the fans was so irritated they gave him the finger. Awesome. Even the guys pretending to be women (Cassandro, Pimpinella Escralata (sp?)) pull the gimmicks off perfectly and aren't treated with ignorance from the fans. And by far, AAA has the hottest ring girls. There's one ring girl that looks like a Mexican version of Stacy Keibler and Beulah. |
| equinox10 | Posted on 07/04/06 at 06:13:26 Although I believe this is my first post, I am a long time TNM player (some of you may remember me from the mailing list) and I have browsed this board religiously for a long time. I found this topic really interesting, and I figured I would make my own contribution: TNA As A True Competitor Premise: As listed in an earlier scenerio, all wresting fans know of WCW's rise to power as a result of the nWo, beginning with the departure of Nash and Hall from the WWF in 1996 and their arrival in WCW. Since history tends to repeat itself....imagine that TNA has become increasingly popular as a result of putting on consistently good shows. This has paid off in increasing the promotion's revenue. Additionally, several new big money backers have invested in the company. Financially, TNA is now much more stable and has money to spend. Now imagine that TNA uses this new money to sign a HUGE former WWE star, The Rock, who has decided to forego his movie career (yeah right) and return to wrestling! Yet this is only the tip of the iceberg. Seeing TNA's success and upset with the WWE's direction, two WWE main eventers jump ship soon after The Rock's signing (ala Nash and Hall). Finally, as if this wasn't enough, the WWE loses two more upper midcarders in the following months due to TNA's expanding bankroll. There are two possible ways to play this scenerio, as TNA or as WWE. Can TNA continue it's successful streak and become even more successful thanks to the addition of the WWE's stars? Or will these additions just weigh down the roster, and bury some of TNA's most promising young workers? As for the WWE, how can the promotion adapt after suffering these losses? Which stars will rise to the occasion and replace the defectors? Game Time: Current Roster: Current TNA or WWE roster, but in conjunction with the following guidelines: If TNA: Use TNA's current roster, but add The Rock with a long term deal. Approximately two PPVs after the starting date (or sooner if you want) add ANY two current WWE main eventers (basically anybody who has held one of the WWE's World titles in the last couple of months) with long term deals. One PPV after this, add a WWE upper midcarder (someone who hasn't held a world title in awhile or ever), and then a PPV after this, add another WWE upper midcarder. If WWE: Same guidelines, but in reverse. The Rock's initial signing won't matter, but be sure to strip away the two main eventers from the WWE's roster, followed by the two upper midcarders soon after as specified above. If anybody tries this out, please post as I'm curious to see the results. Alter it as you see fit :) Justin |
| Yun | Posted on 07/04/06 at 11:18:31 Number 4! The Premise: Steve Corino was quoted as saying that the Hardy Boys' OMEGA promotion had enough talent that all they needed was a TV deal and a strong investor, and they could easily be the number 4 promotion (alongside the WWF, WCW, and ECW.) They never got said investor, and their bookers and top draws (The Hardys) jumped to the WWF. What if the investor Corino described materialized and instead of signing with the WWF, the Hardys brought OMEGA to the national stage? Player Promotion: The Organization of Modern Extreme Grappling Arts (OMEGA) Starting Date: Mid-1997, just after the Hardys turned down McMahon's offer (I'm not sure of the exact date.) Roster: Surge (Matt Hardy), Willow the Whisp (Jeff Hardy), Wolverine (also Jeff Hardy), Venom (Joey Abs), Cham Pain, Joey Matthews, Christian York, Kid Dynamo (Shannon Moore), Kid Vicious (Shane Helms), Mike Maverick (Jack Dupp), Otto Schwanz (Beau Dupp), Black Skull, Ice, TC Brimstone Tag Teams: Christian York/Joey Matthews, The Serial Thrillaz (Kid Vicious/Mike Maverick), The Hardy Boys (Surge/Wolverine), V-Force (Surge/Venom) Champions: Heavyweight: Surge; Tag Team : The Serial Thrillaz; Light-Heavyweight: Kid Dynamo Special Rules: Since OMEGA's workers are smaller, on average, than WWF and WCW wrestlers, the weight limit for the Light Heavyweights is 200 even, not the more common 230. Also, despite the fact that she never appeared on an OMEGA show, Amy Dumas (Lita) is available from the beginning, as are any indy wrestlers not employed by one of the big three. After the first year mid-carders from the big three can start to jump to OMEGA. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 07/07/06 at 05:05:37 THE HAMMER DROPS Premise: Since 2000, Triple H has been the only constant in the main event scene. Other wrestlers rise and fall, come and go, but Hunter always remains at the top or near the top of the car. While he's a very solid worker and an excellent heel, many feel that the fact that he is married to Stephanie McMahon has a lot to do with his push. WHAT IF Triple H was caught in an extremely compromising position with one of the divas? Shocked by his betrayel, Stephanie demands an immediate divorce, and Vince McMahon is mad as hell! In a fit of rage, McMahon committs to firing Hunter on the spot. Upset by this sudden act, Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair announce their retirements in protest, leaving RAW much weakened. Player Promotion: WWE RAW Starting Date: Today Top Stars: Edge, John Cena, Kane, Randy Orton, Carlito, Shelton Benjamin Tag Teams: Spirit Squad, Cade & Murdoch, Val Venis & Viscera, The Highlanders Champions: WWE Champion: Edge. Intercontinental Champion: Johnny Nitro. Women's Champion: Mickie James. Tag Team Champions: Spirit Squad Full Roster: Armando Alejandro Estrada, Beth Phoenix, Candice, Carlito, Charlie Haas, Chris Masters (Suspended), Danny Basham, Edge, Eugene, Gene Snitsky, John Cena, Johnny, Johnny Nitro, Kane, Kenny, Lance Cade, Lita, Maria, Matt Striker, Melina, Mickie James, Mikey, Mitch, Nicky, Randy Orton, Rene Dupree, Rob Conway, Shelton Benjamin, Torrie Wilson, Trevor Murdoch, Trish Stratus, Umaga, Val Venis, Victoria, Viscera. Special Rules: For starters, you have to can Triple H. But you're not just going to quietly fire him. Oh no. You're Vince McMahon, dammit! Do your best to humiliate him over the course of several shows (but not more than a month) to try to kill his drawing power first. Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair will remain available to you until you fire Triple H. One of the divas will also be fired for fooling around with Stephanie's man. This will, of course, leave you with a depleted main event scene. Naturally, you'll want to raid SmackDown and ECW for talent, right? Perhaps you'll want to end the brand extention? No chance in hell! You're Vince McMahon, dammit, and doing that would mean (in some small way) admitting you were wrong. And you're NEVER wrong! The brand extention stays, and there will be no draft lottery or trades to even things out. From your start to right after Wrestlemania XXIII, you will have to make do with the talent you have available. The only exception to this is that you can bring in 3 wrestlers from OVW or Deep South over that period. All of these wrestlers must start deep in the undercard, however. Once the first year is up, you can finally hold a Draft Lottery to shake up your roster. Three of your top names and two of your midcarders will leave, being replaced by 1 top name from ECW, 1 top name from SmackDown, 2 SmackDown midcarders, and an ECW midcarder. Over your second year, you can bring in 4 more OVW and Deep South wrestlers, plus lure 1 wrestler (not named Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Jeff Jarrett or Sting) away from TNA. The TNA wrestler plus the developmental wrestlers you brought in last year can begin to be pushed to the midcard at this point, but the new developmental wrestlers have to start at the bottom. After all, it's important to make new wrestlers pay their dues, even if they could draw more money for you now than they'll be able to once fans are used to them as jobbers! After all, you're Vince McMahon dammit! You know how a wrestling promotion should be run! Things should continue in this manner for as long as you care to run the circuit. Do your best to build up a new generation of top stars with relatively few veterans around to pass the torch. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| dabirdman | Posted on 07/07/06 at 05:26:18 OMG another great What if.. I would love to see that one |
| Justin | Posted on 07/11/06 at 04:45:11 You forgot Hogan, Foley, Vince, Shane & Harry Smith on the Raw roster. And Beth Pheonix should be listed as injured. Hogan should be available for a short term program. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 07/11/06 at 14:24:05 It's WWE. The McMahons are ALWAYS available. I purposefully excluded Foley, Hogan and the McMahons because they're not full time wrestlers. That said, all of the above ARE available for non-wrestling segments and the occasional PPV match. But neither Foley nor Hogan are available for more than a few months a year. As for Harry Smith, has he appeared on camera yet? If not, he'd have to be one of the developmental call ups. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| rey619 | Posted on 07/12/06 at 22:52:27 A New Invasion What If.. Panda Energy decided to pull the plug on TNA, realizing that they would never make money on it. Vince, acknowledging the fact that all three brands are short on wrestlers buys TNA, hoping that maybe, just maybe, someone there will have what's necessary to bring the heydays back to WWE. Your job is to book the invasion angle. This is a mini-scenario so to speak, running from approximately now, to Survivor Series (where we will have a match akin to the one in 2001). If you want a longer build-up, start earlier, or sometime in 2007. You don't even have to book every card, just outline how you would build the scenario, plot the feud and so on. Unlike the previous invasion angle, all the top dogs in TNA are availble (Jarrett, Joe, Steiner, Sting, Styles, Daniels, Abyss, Rhino, 3D, etc), and all can have their old names back. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 07/15/06 at 22:19:15 PUT UP OR SHUT UP Premise: The long dry spell for Professional Wrestling appears to be over, with the industry as a whole moving towards a successful recovery. Even MTV appears interested in building their own promotion. With WWE, McECW, TNA and Wrestling Society X (or whatever the heck MTV calls their show) all either on television now or soon to be, and with Ring of Honor growing every month, most of the top talent in wrestling has a promotion to call their own. WHAT IF you suddenly hit the lottery and raked in a cool one hundred million dollars? After repeatedly insisting on a random message board that you were a better booker and judge of talent than the McMahons, Johnny Ace, Jeff Jarrett, Dusty Rhodes, Paul Heyman, and Gabe Sapolsky all combined, you are suddenly in a position where you can put your money where your mouth is. You throw money around like it was going out of style, buying up advertising time like it was going out of style, purchasing top of the line production equipiment, grabbing liscences to excellent music, and signing contracts to run shows at major arenas all across the country. The only problem is you don't have much established talent to work with. Player Promotion: A new promotion named whatever you'd like. Starting Date: Now Top Stars: To Be Determined Champions: To Be Determined Special Rules: With most of the recognizable talent in the country already signed, you face a difficult challenge of getting over a roster of relative unknowns with a mainstream audience. This scenario requires the use of TweakCirc to edit starting heat. Unless mentioned otherwise in this thread, use the following guidelines: Any wrestler who has never been under contract to a major televised promotion in the USA starts with a Heat rating of either 1 if they are less than 220 pounds, or 2 if they are 220+. This is to reflect the fact that larger wrestlers tend to be more intimidating in appearance and thus easier to get over with a mainstream crowd. Wrestlers who have appeared as midcarders in TNA or the old ECW start with a Heat rating of 3 (ie Frankie Kazarian, Axl Rotten). Wrestlers who appeared as Midcarders in WWE or WCW, or as main eventers in TNA or ECW start with a Heat rating of 4 (ie Chris Kanyon, Rosey, Mike Awesome, Buff Bagwell). Wrestlers who appeared as main eventers in WWE or WCW prior to the year 2000 start with a Heat rating of 5 (ie Vader, King Kong Bundy, Jake Roberts). Wrestlers who have appeared as main eventers in either WWE or WCW since 2000 start with a Heat rating of 6 (ie Diamond Dallas Page, Chris Jericho, Sid) Wrestlers who can be considered some of the top legends in the sport start with a Heat rating of 7 (ie Randy Savage). In order to hold your top title, the wrestler in question needs to have a Heat of at least 7 (with the exception of the first champion, who must only have 5 or higher). In order to hold a secondary title, a wrestler must have a Heat of at least 5 (with the exception of the first champion, who must only have 3 or higher). In order to hold tag team titles, a tag team must have a combined Heat of 10 (with the exception of the first champions, who must only have a total of 6 or higher). Obviously, you cannot hire any wrestlers under contract to WWE, ECW, TNA, or MTV's promotion. Additionally, you can hire no more than 4 regulars from Ring of Honor (and Bryan Danielson cannot be among them). Some wrestlers you may want to consider follow: The SAT (Joel Maximo, Jose Maximo, The Amazing Red): Heat 3 each. All three of them have slowed down considerably since their heyday back in 2002. Red's Workrate is now only 80, while the Maximos are only at 73 each. Frankie Kazarian: Heat 3. Kazarian has enough recognition, workrate (92) and charisma (85) to build a cruiserweight division around. Axl Rotten: Heat 3. Workrate 65, charisma 85. Rotten is a mediocre brawler, but might not be a bad idea if you're planning for a Hardcore division. Juventud Guerrera: Heat 4. Juventud is a step slower than Kazarian at this point, but is a more familiar name to the crowd. His workrate and Charisma are both 85. Unfortunately he is unreliable, and will be unavailable for you 1 time out of 10. This includes major shows. Chris Kanyon: Heat 4. Like many other WCW names, Kanyon has slowed down noticably. He has an 80 in both workrate and charisma. Mark Jindrak: Heat 4. Workrate and charisma are 75 each. Jindrak is a decent talent with some name value that reccomends him. Rosey: Heat 4. Workrate 70, Charisma 75. Rosey can play a decent big man given the right gimmick, and has the advantage of having been a fixture on WWE television for a number of years. Sean O'Haire: Heat 4. Workrate 80, Charisma 85. O'Haire has the tools to be a solid uppercarder, but has never gotten a shot at the top. Perhaps he'll break out in your promotion. Mike Awesome: Heat 4. Awesome is alltogether slower and pudgier than he once was. He's still a decent power-based wrestler, though. Workrate 75, Charisma 80. Buff Bagwell: Heat 4. Hey, you're desperate for talent, right? As annoying as he is, Bagwell has decent heat, plus a Workrate of 70 and a Charisma of 80. Unfortunately, you must also hire his mother Judy Bagwell and use her as an on-air character to keep him happy. Sean Waltman: Heat 4. Waltman actually is pretty decent in the ring, and plays a pretty good heel, but he's unreliable, and will no-show 1 in 10 shows. Workrate 85, Charisma 85. Lance Storm: Heat 4. If your current top champion has a Workrate of 90 or higher, you can convince Lance Storm to come out of retirement and join your roster. He has a Workrate of 90 and a Charisma of 75. Jeff Hardy: Heat 5. Inexplicably over, Jeff Hardy is a shell of his former daredevil self at this point, although he can still work a decent match if carried. His workrate is only 70, but his charisma is 95. Hardy is also unreliable, and will no-show 1 show in 10. Vader: Heat 5. Vader was once the world's best big man. Now? Not so much. While he's still capable of stiff strikes and power moves, he's extremely slow at this point, and consequently scores a 65 Workrate and a 89 Charisma. King Kong Bundy: Heat 5. Think Vader, but even less mobile and more broken down. Workrate 45 and Charisma of 85. Jake Roberts: Heat 5. Once one of the all time greats, drugs and alcohol have left him a shell of his former self. Workrate of 45, Charisma of 100. Additionally, he has a 1 in 20 chance of succumbing to his personal demons before each show. If that happens, you can either send him to rehab for 1 to 6 (a die roll) months, or keep him on the road. If the latter, a second 1 in 20 chance will result in him having to retire permanantly due to some kind of medical emergency. Lex Luger: Heat 5. Aside from a good body and some name recognition, The Total Package doesn't bring much to the table. His workrate is 50 and his charisma is 75. Additionally, he is unreliable, and will no-show 1 in 10 shows. Diamond Dallas Page: Heat 6. Though he isn't getting any younger, there are few active wrestlers not under contract with more recognition than him. He has a workrate of 80 and a Charisma of 90. Chris Jericho: Heat 6. Y2J is currently pursuing his acting and music careers, but he'll become available to you after you finish your second year. Workrate 90, Charisma 100. Sid: Heat 6. Sid is a lousy wrestler, but that's never stopped him from main eventing before. He has a workrate of 45, and a Charisma of 85. Scott Hall: Heat 6. Hall was part of one of the hottest angles in the history of the wrestling business, and if it weren't for his drug problems he'd definately have held a World Title by now. Hall has the same personal demon issues as Jake Roberts. Randy Savage: Heat 7. A legend in the business, Savage can still draw for you. Problem is, he WILL stink up the ring more than anyone else you might hire at this point. Workrate 35, Charisma 95. Finally, any established talent you bring in who leaves your promotion is considered unavailable to you unless they are released from one of the major promotions in real life. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Justin | Posted on 07/15/06 at 22:37:57 Is there anything against using a ruleset to run this latest "What if"? |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 07/15/06 at 22:52:52 No reason why you couldn't, although using one that relies heavily on the M key would require carefully choosing the allowable wrestlers who might show up. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 07/15/06 at 22:57:19 Wrestlers under contract to WSX are as follows: Human Tornado Altar Boy Luke Jack Evans Youth Suicide Matt Sydal Teddy Hart Vampiro Sean Waltman That means Waltman is not available, but New Jack is. Feel free to invent your own "flip out and stab people" rule regarding New Jack if you use him. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| americamamushi | Posted on 07/15/06 at 23:00:28On 07/15/06 at 22:19:15, Critic of the Dawn wrote:After repeatedly insisting on a random message board that you were a better booker and judge of talent than the McMahons, Johnny Ace, Jeff Jarrett, Dusty Rhodes, Paul Heyman, and Gabe Sapolsky all combined, you are suddenly in a position where you can put your money where your mouth is.Haha... nice Eric... nice. :) |
| rey619 | Posted on 07/25/06 at 09:30:59 Regarding the RoH scenario... would it be terribly wrong to "write out" the characters over the course of a few month? Homicide losing in his title shot at Final Battle 06 for example? Or would that take away some of the challenge of the scenario? I'm seriously considering this, although I'm kinda loathe to give up on WWC already at this point. Still, Indy wrestling is my cup of tea... |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 07/26/06 at 06:04:22On 07/25/06 at 09:30:59, rey619 wrote:Regarding the RoH scenario... would it be terribly wrong to "write out" the characters over the course of a few month? Homicide losing in his title shot at Final Battle 06 for example? Or would that take away some of the challenge of the scenario?You have the opportunity to "write out" Samoa Joe already. The other wrestlers (including Homicide) all leave effective immediately in a manner similar to what happened during the RF scandal back in early 2004. The challenge of the scenario is that you have to build up new top talent from scratch - if you can just use all your old talent on their way out to put over the new guys, it's not nearly as challenging. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 08/07/06 at 18:52:49 Eric, Regarding the "Putup or Shutup" What If scenario, how does lucha and even Japanese promotions play into this? Are they available? Using the premise that a talent exchange is in place, that could be acceptable in using some of the top lucha wrestlers from AAA and CMLL. Also, as far as the amount of cards to run, should it be ROH like in that it is monthly cards to start out or weekly? This is an interesting scenario considering the constraints put on it. Maybe you can expand it a little to explain what is acceptable as far as running cards. Also, I assume that hiring wrestlers from other promotions after awhile is only allowable if the wrestler was released from his promotion? Thanks. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 08/10/06 at 19:33:02 The Premise of Put Up or Shut Up assumes that you've got enough money to buy yourself a primetime TV slot, heavy advertising, PPV shows (although you may wish to wait awhile before ramping up to one or more a month), etc. You've got all the tools except a roster full of big names. That said, if you want to start off with monthly supercards and grow into weekly TV, you can do that as well. Just make sure your contracts are for a realistic period of time. As for foreign stars, if they have appeared in American promotions before, use the rating appropriate to how they were used in their appearance. If not, and the wrestler you are bringing in is considered one of the top stars in the country, give them a heat of 3. Otherwise, assign heat by weight as normal. Finally, unless the foreign wrestler in question speaks fluent English, drop their Charisma by 20. New wrestlers you bring in after the promotion's start must indeed be free agents. One final rule that I didn't think of earlier which may help slightly. You should have the ability to hire wrestlers and build to their debut with video packages, interviews, etc. If you do this for an entire month, there is a 50% chance that the Heat of the wrestler or team's Heat increases by 1. You cannot increase Heat by more than 2 points in this fashion. In the case of tag teams, you would be rolling together. You can have no more than 2 wrestlers/teams being built up in this manner at a time. Injured wrestlers cannot benefit from this, and the wrestler must have been healthy but inactive for a month before the buildup begins if they are not a newly hired talent. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| equinox10 | Posted on 08/11/06 at 20:28:44New wrestlers you bring in after the promotion's start must indeed be free agents.See I disagree with this rule a bit. I agree that for the first year or so of your promotion, this should be the rule, but eventually this would have to change. The current, real world wrestling scene can't really simulate a scenerio like this, so relying on real world events might not be a great way to go, at least beyond the first year. For example, say my new promotion is really good, has developed a fanbase etc. Plus I have all this money which, if the promotion is doing well, will only have expanded. Isn't it all together possible that I would lure away wrestlers from other promotions? WWE talent might not be a great example because they have long-term deals, but what about TNA and ROH? And even with WWE, wouldn't it be possible that I lure them away before they resign with Vince? I know this is a nit-picky debate because, after all, this is a fantasy secenerio, but I'm bored at work :) |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 08/13/06 at 13:07:38 Since most ROH talent don't have written contracts, I see no problem with hiring ROH talent down the line. The 4 ROH wrestler rule at start is mainly to make sure you don't just run Ring of Honor for this scenario. You are correct, however. The scenario is heavily weighted towards the first year or two of a promotion. It isn't a bad idea to include some kind of proviso for talent raiding in the future. Maybe something like this: Once you have 5 wrestlers with a heat rating of 9+, you may lure a midcarder or tag team away from WWE or TNA. When you get to 10 wrestlers with a heat of 9+you may lure a wrestler or tag team of your choice away from TNA. WWE is still limited to midcarders, however. When you get to 15 wresters with a heat of 9+, and at every 5 thereafter, you can hire any wrestler you like from WWE or TNA (with the exception of Triple H in WWE and Jeff Jarrett in TNA). If one of the above lured wrestlers quits for any reason, you can replace them with an equivalent talent. How does that sound? It ties your ability to grab big names to your circuit's star power rather than the length of time it has been open. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| AllPowerfulGARTH | Posted on 08/25/06 at 13:48:11 Looks like I came in late to this one. I've always wanted to do the "What If Bret Hart didn't leave the WWF in 1997?" scenario, but was never able to motivate myself. Still, here's one that hasn't been suggested yet: Premise: In May 1996, the infamous "MSG Incident" put two WWF performers in hot water: Hunter Hearst Helmsley and WWF Champion Shawn Michaels. HHH was immediately de-pushed for his participation (he had been planned to win King of the Ring that year, but then lost to Jake "The Snake" Roberts in the first round and Stone Cold Steve Austin went on to win), while Shawn was allowed to continue atop the card because his reign as champion had only just begun. WHAT IF the "clinically insane egomaniac" label that has been applied to Vince McMahon of late applied at this point in time, and he decided to punish Shawn as well? Obviously, this would mean quickly taking the belt off the WWF's top face at that point, and then either firing both Shawn and HHH or giving them a serious and mostly permanent shove down the card -- thus depriving the world of their title reigns later in the year AND of the eventual formation of D-Generation X, which would be one of key players in the beginning of the Attitude Era. How would the WWF recover as time went on? Player Promotion: WWF Starting Date: May 19 (MAY 19! WHY DID YOU SAY MAY 19??!), 1996 -- though you'd have an already-recorded Raw scheduled for May 20 and an already-recorded Superstars scheduled for May 25, so the first booked card would be In Your House: Beware of Dog on May 26 Top Stars: Shawn Michaels (but not for long!), Davey Boy Smith, Vader, Goldust, The Undertaker, Ahmed Johnson, Bret Hart (off TV), Ultimate Warrior, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Mankind Tag Teams: Smoking Gunns, Body Donnas, Godwinns, New Rockers, Bushwhackers, Tekno Team 2000, Samoan Gangsta Squad (Samu and Sammy Slick; had never wrestled but were following Fatu around) Remaining Roster: Stone Cold Steve Austin, Savio Vega, Yokozuna, Owen Hart, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Wildman Marc Mero, Psycho Sid (off TV), Justin Hawk Bradshaw, Jerry Lawler, Bob Backlund, Bob Holly, Isaac Yankem DDS, Aldo Montoya, Barry Horowitz, Fatu, Duke "The Dumpster" Droese Champions: WWF Champion: Shawn Michaels. Tag Team Champions: Godwinns. Intercontinental Champion: Goldust. Special Rules: No pushing Shawn Michaels or Hunter Hearst Helmsley. No yanking wrestlers from WCW with impunity. |
| lazy_duck | Posted on 08/26/06 at 11:22:26On 06/11/06 at 07:09:31, HugeRockStar760 wrote:That rules you wrote for the WWF in 1982 would be a good foundation for a throwback SuperFed type collection of circuits. Basically, one would control the WWF, another would control Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling, Championship Wrestling from Florida, WCCW, Georgia Championship Wrestling, etc etc etc.I've always liked the old school better then the newer stuff, so I could see myself trying this then say trying to run a current WWf or TNA circuit. If anyone is interested in trying this out let me know, I would love to see how this would work out |
| MGDukester | Posted on 08/28/06 at 17:45:58 WCW-DWO - Slight setback with a USB drive meltdown is making cause for a slight rebuilding stage, hopefully I can get the next card rebuilt and up by next weekend. and Onward to the True New World Order of Wrestling. MGD |
| blslivewire | Posted on 11/24/06 at 21:05:28 I recently started a WHAT IF with ECW and WCW still in business. All 3 promotions start in Jan. 2001 (the point of ECW's demise). I started all 3 as seoerate circuits but you might try running them all in 1 using the Weight Class Wizard |
| ggazoo | Posted on 11/27/06 at 22:28:24 lazy_duck already had a fed like this, but I thought I'd post it anway, so credit to him. A GIANT SWERVE It's Feburary 6, 1988. Twenty-four hours removed from one of the biggest screwjobs of all time. What If: The swerve didn't quite happen the way it went down. Andre the Giant beat Hulk Hogan for the WWF Championship with the help of twin referees, but decided to keep the title for himself, and not give it to Ted DiBiase. With this scenario, Andre would in fact be champion according to WWF President Jack Tunney's ruling in real life. Does Andre turn face? If so, how does that happen? He did still screw Hogan after all, and back in the 80's, tweeners were few and far between, especially in Vince's land. Rules You have just under two months to entirely re-book Wrestlemania IV. The only match that you have to keep on the card is Demoltion vs The Powers of Pain for the WWF Tag Team Titles (whether it's still a handicap match is up to your discretion). Champions WWF World Heavyweight Champion: Andre the Giant WWF World Tag Team Champions: Demoltion WWF Intercontinental Champion: The Honky Tonk Man |
| Unright | Posted on 09/19/07 at 03:29:47 bump (for Liller mostly) |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 09/19/07 at 05:19:16On 09/19/07 at 03:29:47, Unright wrote:bump (for Liller mostly)Thanks! I'm thinking I should A) sticky this thread B) ditch my other thread C) compile this stuff for TNM 3:16. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 09/19/07 at 05:28:04 A few rough ideas of my own... 2001 - The Invasion. Better booked, less McMahons, no WWE defectors (i.e. Austin), WWE willing to sign some of the big names like Goldberg, WCW guys not buried by WWE. Does WCW end up its own brand? Does it take over Smackdown or RAW? Does WWE win in the end though the WCW guys prove themselves and some of them earn long-term jobs/spots? early 2001 - Bischoff/Fusinet buys WCW. AOL/Time Warner is convinced not to revoke WCW's timeslots (2 hours of Nitro at least). April 2000 - Bischoff/Russo era, Millionaires Club vs New Blood. The roster is huge at this point, all the belts have just been vacated, and the obvious angle (old vs new) is launched. January 2000 - The day after Souled Out. Due to locker room unrest, Kevin Sullivan is removed as booker. Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, and Saturn don't jump to WCW; Benoit is WCW World Champ. (You start with the Nitro after Souled Out.) December 1997 - Starrcade '97. Bret Hart's WCW debut and the blowoff to Sting/Hogan which was a mess. What if Bret debuted by actually wrestling someone? What if Sting goes over clean and actually doesn't get dominated most of the match by Hogan? The nWo presumably starts to crumble, possibly including the nWo Hollywood vs nWo Wolfpack split. November 1997 - Montreal Screwjob @ Survivor Series. What if Vince deciedes NOT to screw Bret over? How would you book things differently? And no screwjob means "evil boss" Mr. McMahon doesn't quite happen the same (if at all) because he can't build off Montreal. What happens with Austin and D-X? July 1996 - Bash at the Beach. What if Hogan isn't the 3rd man? Do you go with Sting instead (the real life Plan B) or someone else (not sure if this time period synchs up with Bret Hart's contract renewal)? What happens to Hogan, who was getting stale as a face at this point? 1996(?) - Bret Hart choses not to sign his 20 year deal with WWF and jumps to WCW. Among the questions is how do things happen differently with the nWo? 1994 - Hogan comes to WCW, squashes Flair a bunch. How would you do it differently? |
| djmasterscooter | Posted on 09/20/07 at 20:07:45On 11/27/06 at 22:28:24, ggazoo wrote:. The only match that you have to keep on the card is Demoltion vs The Powers of Pain for the WWF Tag Team Titles (whether it's still a handicap match is up to your discretion).Demolion Vs Strike Force...the Powers Of Pain match happened at WM5. |
| megatron_85 | Posted on 09/23/07 at 04:50:39 this reminds of an idea i've been thinking about: What if WCW/ECW won the winner-takes-all Survivor Series match? |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 09/23/07 at 17:17:00On 09/23/07 at 04:50:39, megatron_85 wrote:What if WCW/ECW won the winner-takes-all Survivor Series match?Is there any logical reason for that to happy though? WWE was definitely going to be booked to win the Invasion in the end no matter. I suppose maybe you could go with a modified take on that where by winning the Invasion WCW/ECW got to take RAW or Smackdown as their own show while WWE just stuck to the other? |
| Vertigo | Posted on 11/10/07 at 00:52:39 I came up with one of these that I wanted to do myself and in the process, a whole slew of them came rolling in.. 1. What if Chris Benoit didn't go completely crazy and commit the acts he did in June of this year? He would have undoubtebly took the ECW Championship at Vengeance; Night of Champions, right? And where would John Morrison be? Still Johnny Nitro? Would CM Punk be where he is? And what about Big Daddy V, would that gimmick even have been created? 2. What if the Vince McMahon death angle had continued? Where was it heading? Granted, these may not have taken place long enough ago to really see how much these may have impacted the business, but they're still interesting things to possibly build from. |
| mdale2k | Posted on 11/10/07 at 16:28:31 VINCE THE JAIL BIRD Premise: In 1993 Vince McMahon was charged with distributing steriods to his wrestlers. The Prosecution had the biggest name in professional wrestling on his side in one Hulk Hogan. WHAT IF Vince McMahon was convicted of this crime and was sent to jail for 10 years. After the conviction the WWF was in shambles, with Linda McMahon at the held, several top wrestlers followed Hulk Hogan to the WCW. In July of 1994 the following wrestlers followed Hulk Hogan to WCW, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, The Undertaker, Lex Luger, Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, Diesel and The Steiner Brothers. Due to the scandel USA Network decided to pull WWF Monday Night Raw from its programming damaging the WWF completely. Now it is a month leading up to Summerslam, with no WWF World Champion (Bret Hart left), no WWF Intercontinental Champion (Shawn Michaels left), no WWF Tag Team Champions (Steiners defected). Can you bring the WWF back to prominance with a new late night Saturday Night Slot? Player Promotion: World Wrestling Federation with Linda McMahon as CEO and Vince McMahon in jail Starting Date: July, 1994 (around the time Vince's trial ended) Top Stars: Randy Savage (Commentator), Yokozuna, Roddy Piper Champions: All titles vacant as all champions move to WCW Roster: "MVP" Steve Lombardi, Virgil, The Bushwackers, The Mountie, Irwin R. Shyster, Tatanka, Barry Horowitz, Crush, The Headshrinkers, Bob Backlund, Bam Bam Bigelow, Jerry Lawler, Men on a Mission, The Smoking Gunns, 1-2-3 Kid, Adam Bomb, Pierre Oulette, The Heavenly Bodies, Jeff Jarrett, Bob 'Spark Plug' Holly, Nikolai Volkoff, Duke Droese, Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart, The Fake Undertaker Brian Lee, Ted DiBiase, The Barbarian, Davey Boy Smith, King Kong Bundy Special Rules: 1. None of the defectors to WCW can ever return to the World Wrestling Federation. Linda McMahon has a vendetta against them for leaving the company right after the trial. 2. As well WWF cannot get a better time slot for about two years time if all goes well. If the company continues to slide it could lose its late night slot 3. The WWF has already scheduled 4 pay per views for 1995 of Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam and Survivor Series. After that if the WWF is doing well the next year 4 more, if not then it will be reduced to 2. 4. If someone does not want to sign with you then you cannot sign or attempt to sign them for another two years. 5. The Wrestling World now has a strict no tolerance Steriod Policy mandated by congress so WWF will not go for the steriod junkies but will try and go after more athletic real looking wrestlers. 6. As a side note, trying to bring back old WWF superstars who have retired might be a good way to conjure up interest. Thoughts? If anyone is interested i might consider running this. |
| Vertigo | Posted on 11/10/07 at 19:33:20 I think that's a very interesting What If, Mike. What are the rules with bringing in some of WCW's guys? You know that if those top names jumped to WCW that some of the guys who were working their way up the ladder over there would drop down big time and be very upset. The possibility of them being on top and helping rebuild WWF would certainly draw them over. |
| rebelins | Posted on 11/10/07 at 20:49:32 That's one of the best What If? ideas I've heard mdale. I'd be very interested in seeing other thoughts on this from you. |
| Some ARSEHOLE Stole My HAM | Posted on 11/13/07 at 00:42:18 What if the Montreal Screwjob was done in reverse and it was Michaels who got screwed after a fast count when hart hit Michaels with Michaels' own Sweet Chin Music? |
| Unright | Posted on 11/14/07 at 10:28:37On 11/13/07 at 00:42:18, Some ARSEHOLE Stole My HAM wrote:What if the Montreal Screwjob was done in reverse and it was Michaels who got screwed after a fast count when hart hit Michaels with Michaels' own Sweet Chin Music?I'd really just be a continuation of Hart's title reign. Albeit as a stronger heel. |
| Vertigo | Posted on 11/14/07 at 15:03:53 In WWE, but what about Micheals' future in WCW, had he decided to go there? |
| psz | Posted on 11/14/07 at 19:34:42 But Hart had already SIGNED with WCW... So he'd have still been a heel in WCW, and HBK would have been.... ? Instead of appearing on Raw the next night mocking Hart with a midget, and being a heel, would he have been "poor Shawn"? How would HHH have dealt with it? Would DX have become instant Faces? Evil Vince was set in stone at that point, so there's nothing different there. |
| Unright | Posted on 11/15/07 at 01:07:55On 11/14/07 at 15:03:53, Vertigo wrote:In WWE, but what about Micheals' future in WCW, had he decided to go there?See, that'd be a more interesting "what if...". If Michaels had gone to WCW during the hey-day of the Wolfpac days, that would have caused some pretty big ripples in the wrestling world. Might have caused Triple H to go with if he got POed about a screwjob on Michaels.. |
| JDragon | Posted on 11/16/07 at 14:14:32 I'd like to see the Vince in jail-Whatif played out. Although I feel there's no real chance to make WWE #1 again under these circumstances. |
| JDragon | Posted on 11/16/07 at 14:23:53 Actually I just now discovered this more than awesome thread! Which of these ideas have been played out and where can I find the results, maybe even a summary to the questions posed? There are so many interesting questions posed here, and I think TNM may actually be an adequate tool for writing fictional history here! |
| The TNM Members Champ | Posted on 11/16/07 at 22:47:02On 11/15/07 at 01:07:55, Unright wrote:Considering how HBK was of no use to the WWE after 1998 until 2002 because of his injury, it would've made more sense sticking with Bret Hart. It would've also spared Bret Hart from the Goldberg kick that ended his career. It would've also increased the probability of Owen Hart never attempting that stunt. What Ifs are great. |
| jurso | Posted on 11/16/07 at 22:55:53On 11/16/07 at 22:47:02, The TNM Members Champ wrote:but would it have kept him from actually believing that he was his character ... bear in mind, Bret wasn't as much as a victim as he tried to make himself out to be ... The Montreal Screwjob was as much about his selfishness than Vince/Shawn's/Hunter's egos |
| JustinCaseYouForgot | Posted on 11/17/07 at 00:25:30Considering how HBK was of no use to the WWE after 1998 until 2002 because of his injury,Shawn's injury came at the hands of Undertaker in January of 98, so no one saw it coming back in Nov '97 when the "screwjob" took place. |
| The TNM Members Champ | Posted on 11/17/07 at 00:52:23On 11/17/07 at 00:25:30, JustinCaseYouForgot wrote:I don't think it was one spot that messed up his back. It didn't help but it must've been a culmination of things. Also, even if you forget about the back injury, HBK's attitude at the time was lousy and unprofessional. |
| 91 | Posted on 11/17/07 at 01:40:45On 11/17/07 at 00:52:23, The TNM Members Champ wrote:Nope, it was pretty much that one spot. You don't have a culmination of injuries that allow you work without any problems whatsoever before several discs, rather than slowly give out, crush in one fell swoop. |
| SnDvls316 | Posted on 12/21/07 at 22:08:18 wrestlecrap has done a lot of these if anyone is interested in a starting point. They call their's rewriting the book. Some good reads even if you don't book them for TNM. What if Paul Orndorff touch first? (vs. Hogan in the cage match) What if Randy Savage beat The Warrior in the Retirement match? What if DX got into the Norfolk Scope during their attack on WCW Nitro? |