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Move Damage Question

Mr. Ken KennedyPosted on 09/20/07 at 22:02:24

I know the damage does not increase for say a Samoan drop done from the top rope when a normal Samoan drop is done off the top rope, you would have to create a top-rope version with a greater damage value. What I would like to know if the opponent must be on flag is on "any" meaning the opponent can be in any position, would the move do more damage as a finisher when done from the top?
UnrightPosted on 09/20/07 at 22:38:39

Huh-what?

You can do a non-top-rope Samoan drop..
Mr. Ken KennedyPosted on 09/20/07 at 23:25:23

On 09/20/07 at 22:38:39, Unright wrote:Huh-what?

You can do a non-top-rope Samoan drop..
That's not what I was saying.

What I was saying was you would have to create a top-rope Samoan drop in order for to use it as a finisher to allow proper top-rope damage. The regular Samoan drop can only be done in the ring/outside the ring. If you chose a regular Samoan drop off the top rope then it does not cause more damage than a regular one, since the Samoan drop in TNM can only be done from a standing position. What I was saying you would have to create a separtate move to allow for the right damage.

What I was asking if you create a move with the "any" position flag, the opponent can be in any position, so if "any" is checked, if you do it off the top, would it cause more damage?
UnrightPosted on 09/20/07 at 23:48:11

Well, first off.. I believe all finishers have the same damage. The 'Similar To' field is only there so the program knows what conditions and counters the wrestler's finisher has.

As far as the second question.. I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'll have to do home and open up TNM to take a look.
LillaThrillaPosted on 09/21/07 at 00:00:55

On 09/20/07 at 23:25:23, Mr. Ken Kennedy wrote:What I was asking if you create a move with the "any" position flag, the opponent can be in any position, so if "any" is checked, if you do it off the top, would it cause more damage?
I understand what you're asking and the short answer is...

...I have no idea.
pszPosted on 09/21/07 at 00:30:41

To my knowledge, it does not apply more damage, it simply allows the person to be in Any position, not just x or y position, if you follow me.
Mr. Ken KennedyPosted on 09/21/07 at 00:37:41

On 09/21/07 at 00:30:41, psz wrote:To my knowledge, it does not apply more damage, it simply allows the person to be in Any position, not just x or y position, if you follow me.
OK, but what about really "high" bumps? Like a frog splash from the top-turnbuckle vs. a frog splash from the top of a steel cage?
pszPosted on 09/21/07 at 01:13:22

Cage moves probably add some damage... Spots, hits, etc would seem to do more damage when the steel is involved. I could be totally wrong on this, though, but again, this is my understanding ;->
King MunshunPosted on 09/21/07 at 09:05:35

If a wrestler leaves the top rope going X, and his opponent hits the mat Y seconds before him, Z is the time that the wrestler will hit the opponent with a legdrop. NOW. Another wrestler throws a chair at the first wrestler's head, and the chair is going A per second. What is A?
UnrightPosted on 09/21/07 at 11:56:46

On 09/21/07 at 09:05:35, King Munshun wrote:Another wrestler throws a chair at the first wrestler's head, and the chair is going A per second. What is A?
A is the amount per second that the chair is flying towards the first wrestler's head.
LillaThrillaPosted on 09/21/07 at 15:52:30

On 09/21/07 at 00:37:41, Mr. Ken Kennedy wrote:OK, but what about really "high" bumps? Like a frog splash from the top-turnbuckle vs. a frog splash from the top of a steel cage?
I'm pretty sure the program does automaticly add more damage when a move is done off a ladder, done of a cage, done with a chair, done on a chair, done on the floor, etc.

For those still not understanding Mr. Kennedy's original question: a move has a set of checkboxes for the category "Opponent must be on...".  The options are "Feet", "Mat", "Turnbuckle", and "Any".  His question is that if a move is set to "Any" and it is executed off the turnbuckle will the program apply extra damage?

Normally, turnbuckle moves are only done from the turnbuckle and their damage amount would be set higher anyway.  However, TNM could concieveably be set to make a special case for moves set to "Any".  But I don't know if it does.  At this point my guess is no, but this is only a semi-educated guess.  Only Oliver knows for sure.
C-R-P-L-SPosted on 09/22/07 at 04:37:17

I'm pretty sure "any" actually only means on the mat or standing up. I've never seen an any move be done with the guy on the top-rope.
UnrightPosted on 09/22/07 at 05:34:18

On 09/21/07 at 15:52:30, LillaThrilla wrote:For those still not understanding Mr. Kennedy's original question: a move has a set of checkboxes for the category "Opponent must be on...".  The options are "Feet", "Mat", "Turnbuckle", and "Any".  His question is that if a move is set to "Any" and it is executed off the turnbuckle will the program apply extra damage?
No, it doesn't. The options of the "Opponent must be on..." are there only to tell the problem what position the opponent must be in for a wrestler to execute a move on them. For a regular Samoan drop, the opponent should be on his feet. For a top-rope Samoan drop, the wrestler should be on the turnbuckle.

The only time you would use "Any" is when it truly makes no difference where the opponent is located. A punch is a perfect example. You can punch your opponent whether they are on the mat, on their feet, or perched on the turnbuckle. But the damage does not change. If you want different damage levels, then you have to create separate moves.

As far as the "Can be done from... (Cage, chair, etc.)", I'm assuming that Copp put in extra damage modifiers, but only he can confirm/deny.

I think that about covers it. Liller? Carp? Rick? Do you concur?
C-R-P-L-SPosted on 09/22/07 at 23:13:44

Aye.

I would also note that moves designated with the opponent on top-rope can be done with the opponent on a cage or ladder automatically.

Used to see new moves all the time where people would check those boxes for "top-rope" moves.