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What are these moves?
| Jake | Posted on 05/29/07 at 18:29:30 I've come across these moves in my database, but I have *zero* clue what they are.
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| Unright | Posted on 05/29/07 at 20:55:17 You should cross them off as they get answered. ;) An Achilles lock (also called an Achilles hold or Achilles squeeze) is a compression lock that involves pressing the Achilles tendon into the back of the ankle or lower leg. It is typically performed by wedging a forearm, especially a bony part of it, into the Achilles tendon, while leveraging the foot and the leg over the forearm serving as a fulcrum. This causes severe pressure on the Achilles tendon, and often also results in an ankle lock, since the ankle is being used as a point of leverage. Similarly, some ankle locks also cause a compression lock on the Achilles tendon, and hence the term "Achilles lock" is often also used to describe such ankle locks. |
| 91 | Posted on 05/29/07 at 21:15:10 I spent half an hour answering most of these with full length descriptions, then my computer crashed, so I'm in a bad mood now. Seriously, fuck it. I'll do a couple while I can be bothered. Muta Lock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjXEfkwZe4o Crossface Halo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcYayGoHQRg (I know, backyard morons who can't do it without looking incredibly sloppy, but it'll give you an idea). Niagara Driver: Same as Splash Mountain - it's a Razors Edge into a sitout powerbomb. Air Sabu: When Sabu (or anyone else I suppose) springs off a chair and does a heel kick to a cornered opponent. Panty Drop Elbow: Danny Dorings name for a diving elbow. Tumbleweed: Corkscrew legdrop. Cristo: A swandive headbutt but to the torso. Backspin DDT: Same as a floatover DDT. Moonlight Bomb: Firemans carry into a Michinoku Driver. Waistlock Takedown: Waistlocking the opponent and throwing him behind you to one side so they land face first without letting go of the hold. The suplex variety is probably the same but more of a release I'm assuming. Someone correct me... Baba Chop: Karate chop to head. Rabbit Punch: Punch to the neck (banned in boxing). Tomahawk: Probably the same as a tomahawk chop - think how Tatanka used to his his chops. Tommyhawk: Tommy Dreamers version of the Diamond Cutter where he'd start in a reverse crucifix position. Pyramid Bomb: Cross arm sitout powerbomb, the crossarm bit meaning to hold the opponents arms across one another in a straight jacket like position. La Quesadora: Grilled cheese sandwich. OK, that was more than a couple. |
| Jake | Posted on 05/29/07 at 21:28:19 Thanks, 91. I appreciate all that! ;D The baba chop, is that what Khali uses? Also, is La Quesadora that move cruiserweights normally use against heavier opponents? Sometimes used to perform a bulldog or rollup? |
| Unright | Posted on 05/29/07 at 22:58:51 I think the Pendulum Swing is either someone's name for the Giant Swing. Which is when you grabs your opponent's ankles and swing them in a circle. Usually done by big men. Or it's really a Pendulum backbreaker.. |
| 91 | Posted on 05/29/07 at 23:11:54 Those two sound right, had crossed my mind but I wasn't certain. A koppo kick, I'm not strictly sure about but I know there's a sort of martial art or something called koppo so it's probably in connection with that, and I'm sure I've heard the move uttered when people have talked about Jushin Liger. |
| Jake | Posted on 05/29/07 at 23:24:32 A chinlock deathlock submission. Is this the same as the Muta lock? |
| The Phantom | Posted on 05/30/07 at 03:14:56 Pendulum Swing, I believe this is more accurate: The victim is on their stomach on the mat, the attacker stands over them. The attacker tucks the victim's legs around their waist and grabs both their arms pulling them back, lifting the victim off the ground (if they are tall enough) and suspending the victim in the air. |
| phudjie | Posted on 05/30/07 at 04:12:18 crotch slam = pumphandle slam - when it was Roaddog's finisher in WWF - they called it a crothslam Dandina cradle = I'm about 70% sure that this is either El Dandy's name to the Majestral cradle, or a variation of the Majestral cradle Kopo Kick = sort of a somersault heel kick I believe - the attacker somersaults or flips or whatevr they can pull off, leaving a foot extended to "kick" the victim in the head/face/chest/wherever - Viscera attempts this every now and then. Western Lariat = a running lariat, in the tradition of Stan Hansen or Bradshaw or whoever wishes they were Stan Hansen Waistlock Suplex = sort of a backdrop suplex, or back suplex or belly to back suplex (depending on the anouncer), but anyways like a one of the aforementioned, except more from the side, sort of a belly to side suplex. Ziplock = Konnan busted this move out a few years ago on a clash of the champions, kind of like a sharpshooter/scorpion deathlock, but the victims arms are trapped as well. |
| 91 | Posted on 05/30/07 at 18:51:57 In regards to the Ziplock, how are they trapped? |
| Jake | Posted on 05/30/07 at 19:47:08 http://thesmartmarks.com/article_78.shtml Konnan wins it with the "Ziplock" (standing Figure-Four with the arm hooked as well). |
| The Phantom | Posted on 05/30/07 at 22:50:43 Leg Lock, Arm Trap Standing Used by : Konnan AKA : Zip Lock (Konnan) Description : The victim is on their back, the attacker holds on of the victim's legs and steps between the victim's legs and puts their foot to one side of the victim's hip, the attacker bends their knees slightly. The attacker grabs the victim's arms one after the other and places them so they are between the attacker's leg and the leg the attacker is holding. The attacker bends the victim's leg so their shin lies across the attacker's thigh, trapping the victim's arms between the attacker's leg and the victim's knee. The attacker grabs the victim's other leg and places it so the victim's knee is placed across the ankle of their other leg and pushes down on their shin, trapping the victim's legs and arms, applying pressure with their arms to the vicitm's legs. taken from http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/part2.htm |
| mamushi | Posted on 06/03/07 at 16:55:05 http://www.tnm7.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1159240781 Topic on la quesadora |
| 91 | Posted on 06/03/07 at 18:30:55 If you look closely, you'll notice I stole the "grilled cheese sandwich" joke from that thread. |
| mamushi | Posted on 06/03/07 at 18:49:57On 06/03/07 at 18:30:55, 91 wrote:If you look closely, you'll notice I stole the "grilled cheese sandwich" joke from that thread.haha, i totally missed that. *is lame* |
| Memphis_Vice | Posted on 06/04/07 at 08:06:42 I believe "Western Lariat" is what Dutch Mantell called his running lariat finisher. This move is not to be confused with Randy Orton's recently debuted "Best Western lariat". I switched most of the chops to Baba chops in my version of Great Khali, since he's at least as big as Giant Baba if not a little taller. |
| mamushi | Posted on 06/04/07 at 14:25:04On 06/04/07 at 08:06:42, Memphis_Vice wrote:I believe "Western Lariat" is what Dutch Mantell called his running lariat finisher.The Western Lariat was made famous by Stan Hansen. I believe the technical definition is "one fucking stiff lariat" :) And Khali is like... 9 inches taller than Baba was. |
| King Munshun | Posted on 06/04/07 at 16:01:44 i thought the Western lariat was JBL's finisher? |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 06/04/07 at 20:10:33 Western Lariat is definitely a Stan Hansen thing. JBL is a poor man's Stan Hansen, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he called his "Clothesline From Hell" a Western Lariat sometimes. |
| mamushi | Posted on 06/05/07 at 01:31:44On 06/04/07 at 16:01:44, King Munshun wrote:i thought the Western lariat was JBL's finisher?Dude... you make me sad :) And you definitely are not be the king now. :D haha |
| King Munshun | Posted on 06/05/07 at 02:06:32On 06/05/07 at 01:31:44, mamushi wrote:Yeah, well... SO'S YOUR FACE. :-/ |
| Jake | Posted on 07/20/07 at 19:49:55On 05/30/07 at 04:12:18, phudjie wrote:Ziplock = Konnan busted this move out a few years ago on a clash of the champions, kind of like a sharpshooter/scorpion deathlock, but the victims arms are trapped as well.http://www.wrestlingencyclopedia.com/Moves/sunrise.WMV ??? |
| phudjie | Posted on 07/21/07 at 01:18:36 .....not it - that was the move he called the "Tequila Sunrise", a glorified half (boston) crab..... |
| triad4evr | Posted on 07/21/07 at 06:20:16 Ziplock- Well, Zip was one of those damned Bodydonnas (dumbest gimmick ever), so maybe this was a move he did? |
| Jake | Posted on 07/21/07 at 16:15:51On 07/21/07 at 01:18:36, phudjie wrote:.....not it - that was the move he called the "Tequila Sunrise", a glorified half (boston) crab.....Ah. The camera angle made it hard to tell what he was really doing. Thanks for clearing that up. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/21/07 at 22:14:05 There are two completely different moves called a Tequila Sunrise. One is Konnan's where he armbar/armlocks you and rolls you over into a half Boston crab as well. Better known as a Ziplock (at least in TNM). The other one is Mayumi Ozaki's move, which is suplex where you apply a half nelson with one arm and a hammerlock with the other. On an unrelated note, is an Emerald Frosion/Fusion/Flowsion/etc the same as a Kryptonite Krunch/Air Raid Crash/Reality Check? I've seen places that imply yes some not. Finlay's Wiki-profile lists his Celtic Cross as a Emerald Whatever but the link goes to the Kryptonite Krunch. And the two moves have seperate entries which don't seem to be described quite the same (at the very least it seems the Crash/Krunch is with the victim on your back while the Emerald is to the front?). And if they're different, which one is Finlay's Celtic Cross really? On another unrelated note, what is a monkey flip, especially compared to a regular flip (the counter move)? And how are a Mexican armdrag and a Japanese armdrag different from a regular armdrag? |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 07/22/07 at 00:05:10 No, the Kryptonite Krunch is a Schwein in Japan. The Emerald Flosion is totally different. The Celtic Cross is a Schwein. A Monkey Flip is the move where the attacker runs into the turnbuckle and jumps on his and does a judo type throw. A Japanese armdrag is pretty much an overhead armdrag. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/22/07 at 00:42:09 Are a Samoan Drop and torture rack drop basicly the same? Or does a torture rack drop put the victim on his back and the Samoan Drop on their chest? Is a Beach Break the same as an Air Raid Crash / Kryptonite Krunch? |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 07/22/07 at 02:11:25 A Samoan Drop is simply a fireman's carry slam. The Rock was probably the last WWE guy to use it regularly. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/22/07 at 02:26:07 Is a ropeflip moonsault where you jump onto the ropes then fall with your legs hitting the top rope and that causes you to flip onto the opponent? So "springboard ropeflip moonsault" would be redudant? And RVD's split legged moonsault is just a ropeflip moonsault in the corner? |
| triad4evr | Posted on 07/22/07 at 05:42:42 As far as flip versus monkey flip, the flip, I think, is _you_ literally flipping as in a somersault or something- like a counter to a backdrop. Monkey Flip is the good old famous Captain Kirk move (in fact, my little group of wrestling fans call that "Kirking" somebody)- the jumping turnbuckle one RVD does is a version of that specifically in the corner. Springboard Ropeflip Moonsault- dunno- most of the ropeflip moves, I thought, were from the apron outside the ring, then you yank yerself up over the top rope and deliver the move, so this must be standing on the apron with your back to the ropes, leaping up, and doing a standard moonsault into the ring off the top. At very least I'd say that the RVD split-legged version is a lot less damage than a normal one while the ropeflip one would be more or less the same as the normal one. |
| Jake | Posted on 07/24/07 at 16:07:05On 07/22/07 at 02:11:25, Perverted_Icon wrote:A Samoan Drop is simply a fireman's carry slam. The Rock was probably the last WWE guy to use it regularly.Umaga. |
| Vertigo | Posted on 07/25/07 at 00:19:27 La Quesadora is what they call a wheelbarrow into an armdrag in lucha libre. EDIT: Oops, should have read the rest of the thread before answering. Someone should edit that first post because la quesadora was answered but not crossed out. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/27/07 at 00:37:38 I'm a bit confused by the DDT vs backspin/floatover DDT thing. Wikipedia sounds like the latter is just sort of a punch/clothesline counter into a DDT. If that's really all there is I don't know if that should be two different moves. DDT is used as a counter for a quite a few moves. Do you want Jake Roberts to be able to counter a Death Valley Driver with his DDT finisher but Raven can't while Raven can counter a clothesline with the Evenflow DDT while Jake Roberts can't? (just naming two people off the top of my head with DDT finishers) |
| Vertigo | Posted on 07/27/07 at 18:19:23 If the backspin/floatover DDT is the one The Rock used to do, I couldn't see Jake Roberts doing that kind of reversal. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/28/07 at 19:58:14 "Millenniumation" I think that is misspelt. Anyone know who does that and what the correct spelling is? It's a reverse Stunner/Bareback/Franchiser. Is a Tornado DDT a swinging DDT or a leaping swinging DDT? Wikipedia says the former, but I'm pretty sure someone knowledgeable (Rob Bihari?) said years ago that it was the latter... |
| Azrael | Posted on 07/29/07 at 01:51:37If the backspin/floatover DDT is the one The Rock used to do, I couldn't see Jake Roberts doing that kind of reversal.Agreed. Is a Tornado DDT a swinging DDT or a leaping swinging DDT? Wikipedia says the former, but I'm pretty sure someone knowledgeable (Rob Bihari?) said years ago that it was the latter...I believe it's a swinging DDT from the corner. As an aside, I was looking through YouTube for a Konnan match with the Ziplock in it. I didn't find anything that looked like the description, but I did find this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_iwFhSEb9U I had completely forgotten what an A++ job Dusty Rhodes was on commentary. Obviously, I remembered the way he described Cruiserweights as "flippity-floppity", but he reaches new levels of announcing quality during the crazy Lucha submission segment of the match. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/30/07 at 02:57:53On 07/29/07 at 01:51:37, Azrael wrote:As an aside, I was looking through YouTube for a Konnan match with the Ziplock in it. I didn't find anything that looked like the description, but I did find this:I didn't realize Konnan ever wore a...errr...what do you call that thing on his head before the match?:P That's some crazy lucha submission work by Konnan in that match. BTW, this match ends with the Tequila Sunrise at about the 5:15 mark. It's also got a nice cradle DDT shortly before that. http://youtube.com/watch?v=09c_091Y_-Q Can anyone describe these moves or tell me if they have another name that's on our list: Berkulator cross knee breaker (same as a cross knee scissors?) crossleg suspended deathlock cutthroat suplex floatover suplex Kuishinbo Driver lateral guillotine Mariachina Maximo Spin medio cerrajera (sounds like a half octopus hold but I don't know how that would work?) tiger spin Tornado Splash triangle armbar victor crucifix knee hold Is there a difference between Liger's Crash Thunder Buster and Vader's Face Eraser? Does a Reinera have an American name other than the technical "back-to-back torture rack"? Is a Spiral Tap a flying somersault corkscrew legdrop or a flying somersault corkscrew senton? AJ Styles' Wikipedia entry has it listed as either which doesn't make any sense... Is an Indian deathlock a reverse scorpion deathlock or an inverted STF i.e. scorpion deathlock but you also lean back and grab the opponent's chin/face with one arm? I've seen it described both ways in different places. |
| Vertigo | Posted on 07/30/07 at 15:12:16 Isn't the Indian Deathlock the move Triple H was doing for awhile? It's a leglock move I thought, which wouldn't be either of the moves you're describing it as. |
| Azrael | Posted on 07/31/07 at 05:48:12 Since I couldn't find a Terra Ryzing match online, I went to the next person I knew used an Indian deathlock. King from Tekken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrOth7L4kM It's at the 1:29-1:31 mark (right before the surfboard). The position can be held once the person bends back. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 08/02/07 at 03:20:34On 07/31/07 at 05:48:12, Azrael wrote:King from Tekken.Any how says video games are worthless? :P Good look at it and now I understand why it would be called a "British figure four". Still looking for... cross knee breaker (same as a cross knee scissors?) crossleg suspended deathlock double arm wristsault floatover suplex Kuishinbo Driver lateral guillotine Mariachina Maximo Spin medio cerrajera tiger spin Tornado Splash (corkscrew moonsault???) triangle armbar (arm triangle choke?) victor crucifix knee hold Also, stemming from the whole flying clothesline/lariat thing, what of these moves are actually off the top rope and which are just leaping moves out of the ropes? flying butt bump / flying hip attack flying elbow smash flying karate chop flying shouderblock flying Tomahawk chop / flying Baba chop Is a flying headbutt always the same thing as a diving headbutt or is there anyone who does a leap off the top rope to headbutt a standing opponent? Flying headscissors = top rope headscissors (opponent also on turnbuckle) or headscissors off the tope rope (opponent standing on mat/floor)? Is a running neckbreaker drop a lariat takedown or a running reverse neckbreaker or something else? |
| Crpls | Posted on 08/02/07 at 18:01:36"Millenniumation" I think that is misspelt. Anyone know who does that and what the correct spelling is? It's a reverse Stunner/Bareback/Franchiser.Erm, the "Millenniumation" (or whatever) was a name Rob made up for a move. Although I think has probably done it while wrestling, but... Is a Tornado DDT a swinging DDT or a leaping swinging DDT? Wikipedia says the former, but I'm pretty sure someone knowledgeable (Rob Bihari?) said years ago that it was the latter...Tornado DDT is generally just another term for swinging, but of course Rob may have considered it the latter if/when he created it for TNM. But a leaping swinging DDT was added later, so who knows... What are the counters? That might give it away. double arm wristsaultlike a Northern Lights suplex, clutching both wrists. If you ever played WCW vs the World for the PSX, you've seen it oh so many times (or was it another THQ game? Whatever.) medio cerrajeraThis. tiger spinI think an unofficial name for the spinning legsweep Tiger Mask(s) does... Also, stemming from the whole flying clothesline/lariat thing, what of these moves are actually off the top rope and which are just leaping moves out of the ropes?If you mean in terms of TNM, just look at what's checked and what's not... IIRC, elbow smash and shoulder block are leaping. Tomahawk/Baba should be off the top. |
| Crpls | Posted on 08/02/07 at 18:07:30BerkulatorLyger's CTB cross knee breaker (same as a cross knee scissors?)Likely. cutthroat suplexMark Briscoe's Burning Hammer variation Is there a difference between Liger's Crash Thunder Buster and Vader's Face Eraser?CTB is lifted like a back suplex into a face buster. Vader lifts like a wheelbarrow suplex/Ocean Cyclone suplex. Is a Spiral Tap a flying somersault corkscrew legdrop or a flying somersault corkscrew senton? AJ Styles' Wikipedia entry has it listed as either which doesn't make any sense...If you've ever seen AJ do it multiple times, it would make perfect sense. :) I *think* it's supposed to be a legdrop, but he was always overshooting and making it a senton... Is an Indian deathlock a reverse scorpion deathlock or an inverted STF i.e. scorpion deathlock but youa normal Indian deathlock is just where the opponent is sitting Indian style and the guy performing the move sticks his foot/leg to hold it, and generally sits down to put pressure on the legs. |
| Crpls | Posted on 08/02/07 at 18:14:59 for the ropeflip moonsault thing -- a normal ropeflip moonsault is like Sabu's Arabian press, or what Rey and Jeff have done off a slingshot before (minus the slingshot.) Jeff used to do a springboard one on occasion--springboard into a ropeflip off the adjacent ropes. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 08/04/07 at 16:39:15On 08/02/07 at 18:01:36, Crpls wrote:Erm, the "Millenniumation" (or whatever) was a name Rob made up for a move. Although I think has probably done it while wrestling, but...Cute. Where's Rob when you need him again? If anyone still talks to him, they should politely jab him into getting his arse over here. :) On 08/02/07 at 18:01:36, Crpls wrote:Tornado DDT is generally just another term for swinging, but of course Rob may have considered it the latter if/when he created it for TNM. But a leaping swinging DDT was added later, so who knows...swinging DDT 145 damage counters = throw-off, low blow, spinebuster, Northern Lights suplex leaping swinging DDT 120 damage counters = atomic drop And I'm pretty sure those are unchanged by me. This.DOH. My Search Fu missed on that one. If you mean in terms of TNM, just look at what's checked and what's not...I meant in terms of common usage. I previously suggested the use of "leaping foo" and "foo off the top rope" and eschewing flying all together in the case of things like clotheslines, etc that can be done from either but the reception was mixed. Thanks for the help! That reduces my What Are These list down to... crossleg suspended deathlock floatover suplex Kuishinbo Driver (move by Kuishinbo Kamen) lateral guillotine (guillotine choke variant?) Mariachina Maximo Spin Tornado Splash (corkscrew moonsault?) triangle armbar (arm triangle choke?) Plus if anyone knows an English name for the media cerrajera or Reinera. |
| mamushi | Posted on 08/04/07 at 17:15:50On 08/04/07 at 16:39:15, LillaThrilla wrote:floatover suplexCould that just be a vertical suplex that afterwards you float over into a pin? Tornado Splash (corkscrew moonsault?)I'm be more inclined to believe it was a move that started facing towards the win and not away from it triangle armbar (arm triangle choke?)Thats what I always took it to be. media cerrajeraI dunno about an english name, but "Modified Octopus Hold" wouldn't be a bad one. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 08/04/07 at 18:19:41 I think cross knee scissors and kneebar are the same move. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 08/04/07 at 18:25:47On 08/04/07 at 18:19:41, King_Of_Old_School wrote:I think cross knee scissors and kneebar are the same move.My Search Fu this morning indicates a kneebar is a straight legbar while a cross knee scissors is a crucifix legbar. Sort of like the difference between an armbar and a short arm scissors I guess? |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 08/04/07 at 19:46:44 Is there enough difference to warrant two separate moves in the database? |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 08/04/07 at 20:04:33On 08/04/07 at 19:46:44, King_Of_Old_School wrote:Is there enough difference to warrant two separate moves in the database?Hmmmm...and now I just found a puro site that says they're the same thing. Which is kinda confusing. I suppose the distinction might not matter much unless you're making shootfighters? I admit I don't know enough about UFC/Pride/etc or their styles to really say... |
| Mr. Ken Kennedy | Posted on 09/11/07 at 19:06:06 a tumbleweed is a corkscrew legdrop off the top rope right? |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 09/12/07 at 03:58:30 I had always thought it a moonsault legdrop until research for the recent Moves Database update. Wikipedia says its both a somersault AND a corkscrew flying legdrop, which Page of 1000 Holds agrees with ("Off the Top Rope Somersault Leg Drop with Twist"). |