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Snabbit888Posted on 06/27/07 at 00:20:08

For anyone who uses Benoit in their circuits, given the nature of what happened, how are you going to deal with it?
lazy_duckPosted on 06/27/07 at 00:35:32

Good Question, If I was using him and he was on my list of new talent I would probably stop using him, Yes this is TNM and yes this is only a game and people use dead wrestlers all the time but I think what we have just learned today about his involvement in his wife and son's death may be a little inapropriate. I think if he had died any other way I would say yea continue using him but now I probably wont.

Just my opinion
LD
blslivewirePosted on 06/27/07 at 01:34:36

I'm holding off for now. I don't know if toxicology reports can tell us anything about what sorts of mental illnesses Benoit might have had. He obviously was using steroid which can cause fits of rage as well has depression but that's not enough for me to give him a pass.

While there is no excuse for what hed did, if he suffered from a severe mental illness and wasn't in control of his own actions that be slightly more comforting.
91Posted on 06/27/07 at 02:15:02

Yes, this crossed my mind as well (as insignificant as TNM is in retrospect to what's happened, a lot of the little things have come to mind too, such as where does ECW go now it's lost its ONLY name guy). As some people may have noticed (  :P ) I've not updated my circuit in yonks or done anything circuit wise. Since it's ages until the point where I was going to bring Benoit back in anyway, I guess it gives time to see exactly what and why the tragedy occured.

Whilst I use dead wrestlers all the time, if it turns out that he murdered his family and there was no excuse whatsoever to defend him on this, probably not, I'd be just a bit TOO uncomfortable with that, and I can easily sub someone else in anyway. If I ever get that far...

Speaking of which, I was going to put this in the main Benoit thread but it got closed WHILE I was replying, but it is linked to what I just wrote - Snabby, you noted that apparently they're issuing an apology for airing the tribute. I was thinking it might be wise to be careful how they word it, if at all, in case the aforementioned whys and hows do lend him somewhat of a reason for what happened. I really don't want to see them apologising for apologising if it turns out he wasn't entirely guilty (if that makes any sense). But there's no use me, or anyone else, speculating on what exactly happened, I'll just wait to see what the professional investigators come up with.
Tarome_SCruggsPosted on 06/27/07 at 02:17:17

This is always an issue when a wrestler passes away, but if the use of the performer is in good taste, it can also be a great tribute to their memory no matter what the circumstances of their death was. I have in teh recent weeks toyed with the idea of using Owen and Pillman, as well as Malice and Mike Awesome, I would use them in a very respectful manner of course.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 06/27/07 at 02:34:46

If you're running a retro WCW circuit or even an early 2000s WWE circuit, I don't see any issues. He was a member of their roster. For every other type of circuit, it's really up to the user. I don't see the problem. It's just a TNM circuit.
91Posted on 06/27/07 at 02:43:19

For the record, I do agree with the above, it is just a TNM circuit after all, and as long as nothing is posted in bad taste, it shouldn't matter. Personal preference and all that.
shapyPosted on 06/27/07 at 03:00:17

I have every intention on using benoit in any circuit i have. as well as other deceased wrestlers. most prominently: hennig, pillman, owen, & eddie. just because the circumstances of benoit's death are quite more horrific and unbelievable, doesn't mean you can't effectively use him to produce good matches, angles, gimmiks, etc. in your circuit. i wouldn't suggest having benoit apply a chokehold for his finisher, but whatever suits you i guess. i think for anyone who has to make a tough choice not to use benoit in any capacity is simply exerting their own anger and frustration toward his actions. which is a fine and fair way to deal/cope with it, but come on...it is just a TNM circuit.
Snabbit888Posted on 06/27/07 at 03:16:40

For the record, I wasn't trying to imply that no one should use him or anything.  I just wanted to get a gauge of how the boards feel.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 06/27/07 at 04:07:15

On 06/27/07 at 03:16:40, Snabbit888 wrote:For the record, I wasn't trying to imply that no one should use him or anything.  I just wanted to get a gauge of how the boards feel.
What about you, Ryan? Chris Benoit is currently being used in your GCW circuit. Are you going to continue using him or not?
Snabbit888Posted on 06/27/07 at 04:18:50

I think so, until I get to the date in question anyway.  One of the bad things about being behind real time is that you get "foreknowledge" of this sort of thing.  I kept using Eddie before his death too.
VertigoPosted on 06/27/07 at 06:03:39

I think it would be fine to use him and I wouldn't be mad at someone if he used him, it's just given the circumstances I can't see using him "effectively." It would be near impossible to push him in a babyface role, or really even to get him over as a heel. I don't wanna cheer or boo him... I would just rather not even be reminded of him. But if you're capable of pushing it all to the back of your mine for the sake of entertainment props to you....

He always did put on high ranked matches.
Fighter_HayabusaPosted on 06/27/07 at 21:57:55

Foreign object = plastic bag?

Honestly, it's only a game and all, but it's probably in somewhat poor taste and quite different from other wrestling deaths.
wicked_rexPosted on 06/27/07 at 22:17:32

Since I'm running a WWE circuit that's somewhat current, I'd have to say that I will use Benoit until the date of his death, and then no longer.

AzraelPosted on 06/27/07 at 23:47:33

I'd actually had Benoit retire in my circuit (to spend more time with his family; now I feel like a jackass) with the idea of him coming back at some point. However, I don't see any way I can ever use him again and think about him the same way.
Snabbit888Posted on 06/28/07 at 00:25:50

I dunno.  I'm in the process of writing Beat Your Valentine right now, and I almost feel dirty writing for Benoit.  I kept accidentally making inappropriate puns (i.e. "Benoit was giving Smith and Kazarian such a beating, they knew they had to work together just to survive.").  It just feels... uncomfortable.
shapyPosted on 06/28/07 at 00:34:31

On 06/28/07 at 00:25:50, Snabbit888 wrote:It just feels... uncomfortable.
i would say, wait. don't write for benoit, about benoit, or anything until you are ready. again, it is just TNM. but thats also the good thing too. because it is TNM, you are creating your own world. in that world, benoit is whoever you want him to be. don't feel bad for writing creatively if it sounds like poor taste. that's just how you write. go on and run your TNM fed any way you want. there is no wrong way to handle it.
UnrightPosted on 06/28/07 at 01:39:53

On 06/27/07 at 00:20:08, Snabbit888 wrote:For anyone who uses Benoit in their circuits, given the nature of what happened, how are you going to deal with it?
Honestly I think I'm done with TNM for a while. Benoit's actions sickened me. And the people who maintain his innocence both here and on other sites make my stomach queasy. I think it's time for me to give wrestling a break for a while.
JakePosted on 06/28/07 at 02:59:30

I was on the verge of bringing The Murderer into my ECW fed. Even though mine is months behind real-time, I'm too sickened to give the bastard the satisfaction.
rebelins313Posted on 06/28/07 at 06:26:18

It's definitely disturbing news.  I've been sick of mainstream wrestling for entirely too long now and would rather just watch indies but I'm not a member of pwtorrents and can't really afford to buy DVDs and the like so I just play with TNM and have fun with it even I don't watch much wrestling anymore.

I didn't know that Deuce Shade, a guy who I used for a while in several feds had been bumped up to the majors nor did I know Elijah Burke had gotten the callup.  I'm entirely behind on any and all wrestling news.  :)  

Rick GarrardPosted on 06/28/07 at 07:21:23

not only that, but Deuce Shade is aka Solo Snuka aka Jimmy Snuka Jr. So one could say that his first PPV tag team title defense with Domino against Sgt. Slaughter and his dad The Sup-Sup-Superfly was a nice tribute to the legends.
TheWavePosted on 06/28/07 at 07:21:55

I initially figured I would not hesitate to continue using CB in TNM circuits for the following reasons:

TNM is a fantasy world or alternate universe.  In real life, each wrestler is both a real person and a TV character.  But in TNM, all you deal with is the wrestler.  Regardless of whether, in the TNM world, you think of wrestling as unstaged, competitive, legitimate sport; or whether you still think of it as 'sports entertainment' with angles and booked outcomes (and this depends on how you run your own circuits, of course), we all probably use each wrestler just as an onscreen and in-ring performer, with little to no thought as to their personal or family lives.

So in my own TNM worlds, I would just think of CB as a wrestler, not anything else, and not the disturbed individual we now know he was.  In the alternate TNM universes, this awful, horrible crap that happened just doesn't exist - the possibility of it happening doesn't even exist.

(I see that I'm just using a lot of words to state the obvious about this issue, but thinking it through as I write helps me to make this decision for myself.)

Having said all that, those are just my logical conclusions, and I may honestly not use CB for a while.  I certainly agree there's nothing wrong with doing that, but it's hard just seeing his name without getting that sickening feeling about the whole thing.  My circuits don't take place in real time, as I haven't followed current wrestling for a few years now, but I guess I'll just have to see.

Snabbit888Posted on 06/28/07 at 08:38:15

That's more the problem.  It's not so much that I'm offended or worried someone else will be.  It's more for me.  I thought it would be no problem, but just seeing the name, like TheWave said, is uncomfortable.  I'm thinking I may write him out soon and that will be that.  Might be a little strange in GCW world given it's still 16 months ago there, but I can't see me effectively using him at this point.
ntnrerunPosted on 06/28/07 at 17:32:23

With the events still fresh in mind, I'm not using him. I'm not saying never again, but for right now I don't feel comfortable using him.
VertigoPosted on 06/28/07 at 18:14:31

Snabbit... write him off the PPV, much like Vengeance, and use the world wide favorite "m" key!
CarlzillaPosted on 06/28/07 at 23:35:35

I think my problem would be using him in a tasteful way. I'd be way to tempted to make off-color remarks and bad wisecracks about him and what he did.
TheWavePosted on 06/29/07 at 14:27:16

On 06/28/07 at 17:32:23, ntnrerun wrote:With the events still fresh in mind, I'm not using him. I'm not saying never again, but for right now I don't feel comfortable using him.
The horror and shock of all this will fade with time, and I'm sure most of will have no problem isolating the real, disturbed Benoit from the TNM, alternate-universe, awesome wrestler Benoit after that time passes, and will once again be able to use him in TNM without cringing.  And hey, when a wrestler is gone from a circuit for a long time, it just makes a bigger splash when he returns down the road.  
KoreatnmerPosted on 06/29/07 at 17:36:08

I had Benoit as a co-trainer/wrestler of a developmental territory with Lance Storm based in Alberta. As soon as I heard the news I deleted him from my database for realism's sake. I think this is probably the best reason to bin him, TNM has never been a more than a fanatsy booker game, not a moral commentary. But I think personal choice is the most important thing on this issue. whatever you want, just do it.
King MunshunPosted on 06/29/07 at 18:10:09

On 06/29/07 at 17:36:08, Koreatnmer wrote:TNM has never been a more than a fantasy booker game, not a moral commentary. But I think personal choice is the most important thing on this issue. whatever you want, just do it.
QFT.
blslivewirePosted on 07/10/07 at 02:44:44

I had just finished a program with Benoit going over Austin in a 4 month feud and earning a shot against WWF Champion...Eddie Guerrero. I think I'll job Benoit out to Eddie and then have him return the favor to Austin the following month and then forget about him.

With other wrestling deaths it's easy to say that, "it's just TNM" but this is like trying to ignore a 1000 pound gorilla and a pink elephant in the room.
JustinPosted on 07/22/07 at 17:47:37

I know I'm behind on this one but... even hough this is just TNM & fantasy, I usually try to keep my rosters current & therefore stop using wrestlers after their deaths.

As for the actual circumstances of the entire Benoit family tragedy.... I feel its a shame that he will never be remembered for his in ring accomplishments again.