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Booking a Japanese Fed
| Unright | Posted on 11/08/05 at 05:20:17 I guess this question is mostly directed at either Carlzilla or America Mamushi, but anyone can chime in... What's the best way to book a japanese fed? Is it dependent on what style I want to showcase? Like if I want a traditional puro fed, I should set up a touring schedule (like Carlzilla's TNMJapan forum)? Or do they have regular shows? Any advice on the best way to book a touring schedule? Or if I wanted more of a Sports Entertainment fed, are there any general guidelines I should follow? Dos and Don't Dos? Thanks in advance... |
| Captain Tagon | Posted on 11/23/05 at 21:23:04 I'm interested in any advice on this as well. |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 12/01/05 at 06:53:40 AJPW, NJPW, and NOAH all have touring schedules. They do have TV shows but they are usually taped at one of the events on the tour. The way I usually do it, and is part of the reason I haven't had time to run any TNMJapan stuff recently, is that I set up the big tour ending card first, then work backwards with a little bit of story. The whole tour is usually announced in advance, which makes writting story a bit easier to do this way, since people know whats coming up, but you still can't rely on backstage segments or anything because most of your shows aren't televised. Lucky for us, the Japanese press takes wrestling seriously enough to actually cover it in newspapers and such. So I do story through comments the wrestlers had on their matches and on their upcoming matches to the press. Also press conferences are a great way to get your story out and they happen quite frequently in Japan. Smaller feds, (DDT, Dragons Gate, M-Pro etc.), usually run kinda like an american indy, with a few shows a month, the only exception to this maybe DG as I'm kinda out of touch with them these days. I know DG has a weekly TV show, but I'm not really sure of the contents. DDT also has a show, but it's kinda spastic and the matches are usually recorded at several live events and then edited together to be about an hour long. Other indys are showcased on Occupation of the Indys which is a weekly show that showcases matches from different indy feds. I'm not sure TNM is able to accuratly portray a japanese style "Sports Entertainment" fed at this point. Sports Entertainment over there is pretty much a lot of joke spots and gimmicks. Ebessan is a good example that most of you would probably be familar with. It would be really really hard to simulate an Ebessan vs. Koshinobu Kamen match with TNM, because it's so unique spot dependant. If you wanted to run a WWE style fed in Japan, the sky is the limit as Japan currently doesn't really have one of these...the closest thing to it being DDT, which is just bizzare to say the least, and that's a very conservitive description. |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 12/01/05 at 07:00:35 I can answer specific questions as well, if anyone has any. I just kinda gave a brief overview...I don't frequent the boards as much as I used to, but I'm still around once in a while. |
| Some Guy | Posted on 12/05/05 at 16:08:53 Suppose i wanted to run a japanese fed in the default tnm mode, i.e. 1 card = 1 month approx, 12 cards a year. Any suggestions on doing that? |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 12/06/05 at 06:14:53 The only way I can think of (which isn't even a good one in my opinion) is to just run the tour ending card, with some sort of mention of what happened earlier in the tour. You know, some build up to give the matches at the tour ender some meaning. Honestly, I don't really see any way of doing this very decently. To run a traditional puroresu fed you're gonna have to book tours, there just isn't anyway around it. |
| Some Guy | Posted on 12/06/05 at 17:10:49 I manage to book a 5 annual PPVs WWF circut without booking any weekly TV shows, like oliver used to do. I think you could do something similar with a puro circut |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 12/08/05 at 23:22:37 Sure it could be done. Is it going to feel like a puroresu fed to the readers? Probably not. |
| Unright | Posted on 12/09/05 at 04:47:40 Most roster listing for NWJP breaks up the roster by different groups. Currently from puroresufan.com NEW JAPAN PRO-WRESTLING BLACK FOREIGN ARMY NEW JAPAN PRO-WRESTLING JUNIORS DOJO BOYS OUTSIDE WRESTLERS FOREVER NEW JAPAN What are the differences between these distinctions? I'm assuming Black & Foreign Army are stables, and Juniors is fairly obvious. Could you explain the rest? |
| Yun | Posted on 12/09/05 at 05:11:48On 12/09/05 at 04:47:40, Unright wrote:Most roster listing for NWJP breaks up the roster by different groups."New Japan" refers to unaligned wrestlers. "Dojo Boys" are guys who just recently graduated from the New Japan training school. "Outside Wrestlers" are guys who aren't under contract to New Japan, but who show up on occasion. Puroresu lacks the "Us and Them" mentality of American feds, and you'll often see, for instance, Michinoku Pro guys on a Dragon Gate show. New Japan and Noah actually ran an inter-brand feud in which one company's entire Junior division declared war on the other's (I forget which was the aggressor.) Looking at the page I recognize that Kendo Ka Shin works for All Japan, and Yoshihiro Takayama is a free agent who bounces from fed to fed. "Forever New Japan" are guys who died recently while under contract to NJPW. |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 12/11/05 at 00:29:18 The roster listing slightly out of date. Riki Choshu took over as head booker again and disbanded all groups. So there is no Team Japan, and no Black New Japan. everything else is as Yun stated, except that Takayama has been out with an injury for the last year and not really doing any wrestling...I think he made an apperance in DG to face Stoker Ichikawa, but that's hardly considered wrestling, and Kendo Ka-Shin is now working strictly for NJPW again. AJPW is actually in the process of suing him for failing to return his half of one of their tag title belts. |
| Unright | Posted on 12/11/05 at 03:28:29 What are the rules for the classification of a "junior"? It's weight and not age-related, right? For that matter, what does IWGP stand for? BTW, Thanks to both Carzilla & Yun for answering my questions. |
| Captain Tagon | Posted on 12/11/05 at 04:10:15On 12/11/05 at 03:28:29, Unright wrote:What are the rules for the classification of a "junior"? It's weight and not age-related, right?Weight related. Basically the cruiserweight type idea. IWGP: Something World Grand Prix if I remember correctly. |
| Yun | Posted on 12/11/05 at 06:13:30 Yeah, Junior Heavyweight is equivalent to Light-Heavyweight or Cruiserweight. I'm not sure what the weight limit is in New Japan, though. New Japan does have an age based title, the U-30 (Under Thirty) Title. Although in practice I think it's more of an experience based title, meant for rookies, rather than strictly age based. IWGP = International Wrestling Grand Prix And Takayama's "Dragon Gate" match was a good two years ago, back when they were still "Toryumon." |
| americamamushi | Posted on 12/11/05 at 08:05:06On 12/11/05 at 06:13:30, Yun wrote:I'm not sure what the weight limit is in New Japan, though.According to Wikipedia's entry on New Japan Pro Wrestling it's 220lbs. (100kg) |
| colmatteus | Posted on 12/16/05 at 00:18:40 Hey, somewhat on topic but more or less something that's been bugging me the past few days b/c I can't find an answer anywhere! Sooo, directed to Carlzilla or mamushi: what exactly is a wrestler's "V1 title defense"? Is it their first defense? Just curious... not to muck up the thread ;) or anything. Thanks ;D! |
| Crpls | Posted on 12/22/05 at 04:35:32 V1 refers to the first title defense, just as you guessed. |
| meetzorak | Posted on 12/23/05 at 21:32:02 What would you classify a wrestler like stan hansen or abdullah the butcher in Japanesse wrestling. I know both love to tour alot. |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 12/26/05 at 14:03:40 Hansen is a legend in japanese wrestling. Abdullah...well he's Abdullah...I like him, and most of the fans seem to dig him ok...but his matches aren't what you would call spectacular. |