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SeanH529Posted on 07/07/05 at 18:52:48

 I know this is a weird place to put this, but I know a lot of people from the UK frequent this board and are into TNM. From the U.S. I just wanted to send my condolences to those who have family involved in this mess.

 This is you're 9/11 and I hope we can get those who continue to attack innocent civilians. My thoughts and Prayers are with you.  
91Posted on 07/07/05 at 19:10:40

Yes, tis really bad, and you know whomever did it had it all ready to do the day after London were given the Olympics, should it get it (which of course it did). Luckily I don't know of anyone myself who was in London, but that's besides the point. Forgive me for being extremely right wing, but I say find all the people who were even remotely responsible, then hang them.
rey619Posted on 07/07/05 at 19:21:25

The thing about this terror act being committed the day after London was given the Olympics is disturbing. Did they:

a) Get very lucky
b) Have inside sources inside the IOC
c) Ready actions of terror in all the nominated cities? (this one really disturbs me..)
91Posted on 07/07/05 at 19:31:46

I'm thinking they probably intended to target London the whole time, with the intentions of doing it the day after they announced the results in the hope that London were declared the winners, and if they weren't, oh well, we'll bomb them anyway. After all, what's the point of readying acts of terror in all five cities if you only ever intend to deliver on one?
Shaun SindelmanPosted on 07/07/05 at 20:31:52

this clearly shows the slight lack of security in London which definitely contradicts it's status as the host city for the 2012 olympics.
91Posted on 07/07/05 at 22:19:45

On 07/07/05 at 20:31:52, Shaun Sindelman wrote:this clearly shows the slight lack of security in London which definitely contradicts it's status as the host city for the 2012 olympics.
Geez, it's not THAT easy to prevent this sort of thing. Unless there's a huge speight over the next seven years, it doesn't contradict shit.

And just on the off chance that you're saying that because you're an American who wanted New York to win it, 1) they were the worst of the bunch and 2) lest we forget terrorists were able to detonate a bomb AT the Olympics last time you had them, let alone several years in advance of anyone even thinking about organising security.
Shaun SindelmanPosted on 07/07/05 at 22:46:20

you do have a point.

and yes i happen to live in NY but i sure as hell did not want the olympics here for the exact reason you mentioned - last time we had them (in Atlanta), it was not cool.

On 07/07/05 at 22:19:45, 91 wrote:

Geez, it's not THAT easy to prevent this sort of thing. Unless there's a huge speight over the next seven years, it doesn't contradict shit.

And just on the off chance that you're saying that because you're an American who wanted New York to win it, 1) they were the worst of the bunch and 2) lest we forget terrorists were able to detonate a bomb AT the Olympics last time you had them, let alone several years in advance of anyone even thinking about organising security.
91Posted on 07/07/05 at 22:57:40

On 07/07/05 at 22:46:20, Shaun Sindelman wrote:
and yes i happen to live in NY but i sure as hell did not want the olympics here for the exact reason you mentioned - last time we had them (in Atlanta), it was not cool.
That's cool, just pre-empting myself. And for the record, it looks like it was a branch of Al Qaeda who are taking responsibility.
Shaun SindelmanPosted on 07/08/05 at 00:13:07

yea - branch of Al Qaeda and claiming it has to do with the UK getting involved in Iraq.


On 07/07/05 at 22:57:40, 91 wrote:

That's cool, just pre-empting myself. And for the record, it looks like it was a branch of Al Qaeda who are taking responsibility.
SeanH529Posted on 07/08/05 at 00:14:48

    Trust me on this one.....MOST of the people I talk to were very happy that we didn't get the Olympics. Not just because of the Atlanta bombing (which by the way has NOTHING to do with terrorism, just an idiot who wanted to set off a bomb) We need to get the tower back up and we need to worry about a lot more than the Olympics in the next 7 years. As far as I'm concerned someone else can have the Olympics.

   I just hope that the people in the U.K. don't somehow feel it's our fault that the bombings took place because of your help in Iraq. Somehow the U.S. gets blamed for EVERYTHING  :(  This isn't a time to be pointing fingers. Anyone that lives in a free society are under attack. It wasn't just the US that is targeted, it's anyone with our way of life.
91Posted on 07/08/05 at 21:01:00

I'm not blaming the U.S. for anything. Whether or nor the Iraqi war was right or not, anyone who goes out of their way to commit mass genocide on innocent people deserves everything they have coming to them.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 07/08/05 at 21:06:33

I still get a laugh out of people who still question if the war was right or not.

Always amusing when people brush off Saddam's regime as not being important and not a concern for us, and ignore the fact they didn't comply with numerous UN Resolutions. Or the fact they call the Iraq war unnecessary yet didn't go protesting our involvement in the Balkans conflict which had absolutely no effect on our country.
UnrightPosted on 07/09/05 at 00:34:32

I still get a laugh out of people who still question if the war was right or not.  

Always amusing when people hyped up Saddam's regime as being super important and a concern for us, and ignore the fact they didn't actually have any WMDs or offensive capability. Or the fact they call the Iraq war necessary yet didn't go protesting our lack of involvement in the North Korean penninsula which has an effect on our country.

There... fixed it.
Snabbit888Posted on 07/09/05 at 01:04:37

On 07/09/05 at 00:34:32, Unright wrote:I still get a laugh out of people who still question if the war was right or not.

Always amusing when people hyped up Saddam's regime as being super important and a concern for us, and ignore the fact they didn't actually have any WMDs or offensive capability. Or the fact they call the Iraq war necessary yet didn't go protesting our lack of involvement in the North Korean penninsula which has an effect on our country.

There... fixed it.
Well we know that now.  And it's not like Saddam is some great guy we're bullying around.  I'm sure there's a lot more to it than this, but Saddam didn't want people inspecting, so we inspected ourselves.  I don't advocate fucking people up for no reason, but it's not like Saddam was some great leader who gave all his people candy and a hug every day.  Fuck Saddam... right in his happy pooper.
Critic of the DawnPosted on 07/09/05 at 01:07:00

Okay.  Both viewpoints are present.  Since this has nothing to do with TNM OR the act of terrorism in London, I suggest that in the interest of keeping the community intact we drop the politics.  ESPECIALLY in this thread.

My sister actually just moved to England from the US after her British husband was deported (and no, I'm not going to go into the details.  I said no politics, afterall), and her flight arrived at about 8:30 AM yesterday.  She was literally going through customs as the terrorist attacks were happening.  After everything she's been through in the last 9 months, I'm sure what happened was extremely garring for her.  So I have a bit of a personal connection to what happened.  Best wishes to everyone effected by this tragic event.

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
UnrightPosted on 07/09/05 at 03:53:00

On 07/09/05 at 01:07:00, Critic of the Dawn wrote:Okay.  Both viewpoints are present.  Since this has nothing to do with TNM OR the act of terrorism in London, I suggest that in the interest of keeping the community intact we drop the politics.  ESPECIALLY in this thread.
:-X <-- Scott Steiner style

Fine. I respect that.

I'll settle with reminding people that if you can sum up any global conflict with a simple 4-line paragraph, you probably don't have any kind of grasp on the situation.

On 07/09/05 at 01:07:00, Critic of the Dawn wrote:
My sister actually just moved to England from the US after her British husband was deported (and no, I'm not going to go into the details.  I said no politics, afterall), and her flight arrived at about 8:30 AM yesterday.  She was literally going through customs as the terrorist attacks were happening.  After everything she's been through in the last 9 months, I'm sure what happened was extremely garring for her.  So I have a bit of a personal connection to what happened.  Best wishes to everyone effected by this tragic event.
I heard a bit about your situation from some of your posts and a bit from your Live Journal. It's good to hear they're okay.

I also had a English friend who was here past her visa. She managed to live in the US for about 10 years, mostly staying under the radar by working cash-paying jobs (usually music gigs and doing freelance video editing). Her driver's license had expired and because of immigration changes generated by the Patriot Act, she couldn't renew her license without being discovered as an illegal alien. So rather than risking a routine traffic stop turning into a deportation, she returned to London 2 weeks ago.

She's fine, but pretty much in a foul mood.