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Hiring and firing

rey619Posted on 10/19/04 at 15:13:34

Well, this thread has more to do with wrestlers quitting, but the current subject has a better sound to it  ;D

Anyway, and I am sure this has been addressed before, what factors (if any) do wrestlers base their decision on whether or not to sign a new contract? How about giving notice or quitting immediately? The reason why I bring this up is because in my RAW circuit, everybody besides Batista left Evolution over the space of a month. First, WWE Heavyweight Champion Triple H didn't renew his contract (I solved this by having him lose a loser-leaves-town match with the Rock, effectively having Randy Orton interfere in order to gain control of Evolution himself). Then, the next week, Ric Flair doesn't renew his contract (he was kidnapped by Triple H). The following week, Randy Orton, now WWE Heavyweight Champion, decides to quit, effective immediate (still doesn't know how to storyline that one), vacating the title just a week after winning it.

So I had two champions quit, while in the other end of the WWE hierarchy, the Dudleyz and Christian are primarily on Heat only, but they are quite happy with their Push at about 70.

This is not bitching, just an honest question to know about the mechanics. To provide you with some more information, I'm running both SD and Raw as one circuit with about 70 workers, 2 cards a week (three when there's a PPV), double duty is almost non-existent and most wrestlers will be featured on a card, even if it is only Heat, but TNM doesn't tell the difference anyway.

I'm also having difficulties hiring new wrestlers. Is this due to the large number of wrestlers I have? I also run a TNA circuit, and the two circuit share talent limitation. Does competition increase the chance of somebody leaving?

zackarcherPosted on 10/20/04 at 16:21:48

I've always wondered about this.  My champs never want to renew their contracts and yet, the guys at the bottom of the rankings always do.  It's weird.
Rick GarrardPosted on 10/21/04 at 05:34:25

I beginning to think there is some correlation between your booking style and whether guys want to renew contracts or not.  Based on what I've had with BCW and now CW, when it came time for the initial roster of 20 to renew contracts at the end of 26 cards in CW, I only had 2 not willing to renew.  And neither were top of the card booked guys nor were either putting out the best matches in the circuit for their pushes.  

I am guessing that the rewarding of consistent booking style mentioned in the match rating post also has something to do with talent contracts as well.  Just seems that since TNM is ever learning based on what Oliver has told us, this would also seem to make sense.  Hopefully, Oliver can shed some light on this.
AnubisPosted on 10/22/04 at 08:18:29

I dunno, it seems to me like it's just random.  It's like the program rolls a die in its head and the result is the person who quits, if any.  People who've been booked perfectly have quit for no reason whatsoever.
Snabbit888Posted on 10/22/04 at 08:29:00

It depends on what you consider "perfect booking." Some people think booking Big Show to the World Title is perfect. You wouldn't. TNM might have a different internal reason.
AnubisPosted on 10/22/04 at 09:52:44

All I meant by perfect booking is stuff like not jobbing your main eventers to midcarders, letting them win titles, etc.

I have seen an undefeated newly crowned champion quit immediately for no reason.  (Not Goldberg-style undefeated, but like 10-0, like that.)  That would be perfect booking as far as a person is concerned.  I don't know anyone who would quit when given a promotion unless there's a history of poor treatment.  That's aside from the fact that it's technically breach of contract in such cases, heh.  Like I said, though, I've seen people who've never been treated badly quit.  I really do think it's random.
Some GuyPosted on 10/22/04 at 15:00:44

On 10/22/04 at 09:52:44, Anubis wrote:All I meant by perfect booking is stuff like not jobbing your main eventers to midcarders, letting them win titles, etc.

I don't know anyone who would quit when given a promotion unless there's a history of poor treatment. .
Sid Vicious made a habit of it. And look at austin, they never really treated him badly, he just got bored and left. and lets not forget the AWA/ECW effect. Make a guy champ and the competion signs him.
91Posted on 10/22/04 at 19:46:37

If memory serves me correctly (and it probably won't - Oliver can come answer this himself soon) it's a mix between it being random and it being how much you push them, possibly in relation to their push values. In a word, the bigger the push, the less likely they are to quit, but it's still entirely possible, as has been adequately demonstrated.

And just to back up this theory, in my years of TNM usage, I've only ever had two people quit on me at really inopportune times when they were getting a big push, whilst I've seen plenty of mid-carders to jobbers leave.

Uhhh, but wait for Oliver.
Oliver CoppPosted on 10/31/04 at 22:55:34

It's actually a mix of random and events that happen in your circuit.

If people really get over well with the crowd (good to great heat) but they aren't given the push they "think" they deserve, chances are they'll quit on you.

If a wrestler is thrust in a position he doesn't feel comfortable in (maybe because you give him a title even though he wouldn't really deserve it ratings-wise), he *may* feel the pressure build up too much and hit the road.

If the same wrestler is relied on over and over in main events, gets banged up pretty badly and never really gets the pressure taken away for a certain amount of time, it'll increase his chances of leaving.

If a wrestler's best "friend" leaves (somebody who he regularly is booked with or against), it might influence his decision.

There are many, many possibilities but - as was mentioned before - that's only the basis. Sometimes people will quit for no good reason at a really inopportune time... just like in real life. See Lesnar, Brock.
rey619Posted on 10/31/04 at 23:12:21

That would explain Randy Orton quitting, as he was a part of Evolution, and Triple H refused to sign a new contract. Thanks for the info!

Ps!Does the size of your roster matter? Like Rick says, people rarely quit in BCW, but the roster is a lot smaller than if you would run a WWE circuit.
Oliver CoppPosted on 11/01/04 at 08:34:30

It doesn't directly depend on the size of your roster.

However, the bigger your roster, the easier it is to get lost in the shuffle... which is a factor.
blslivewirePosted on 12/12/04 at 13:55:25

I run 2 competting circuit side by side. The Hardy Boys were in the IWF and Jeff didn't renew his contract. So for a farewell the Hardys faced each other and then Matt quit immedialtley.

They then signed on to the WCWF and after about a year and half TNM time, I spilt them up and they began fueding. After 2 or 3 matches, Matt quit.

Coincidence?