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TNM is unforgiving!

AnubisPosted on 08/11/04 at 10:17:02

I decided to go with a new concept. Basically, I started a circuit in 1996 using talent that is just now trying to learn how to get into the business. As such, I gave my initial roster REALLY low stats to simulate a "backyard fed". TNM is quite unforgiving!

I got three -***** matches!

I have to edit out the bad chants in order to properly simulate a match in a backyard fed. Basically, I've been to a couple such events, and people don't generally put down the workers like TNM had them do on my first card.

Too bad there isn't a "backyard" mode where the fans will put up with poor workers while they hone their skills. :P
91Posted on 08/11/04 at 15:07:00

Realistic though - let's face it, most backyard matches deserve about minus a million stars. ;)
xsouporheroxPosted on 08/11/04 at 19:02:21

And backyard wrestling isn't a way to hone your skills either.
AnubisPosted on 08/11/04 at 19:13:06

On 08/11/04 at 19:02:21, xsouporherox wrote:And backyard wrestling isn't a way to hone your skills either.
Tell that to Mick Foley or the Hardy Boyz. :P
91Posted on 08/11/04 at 19:35:06

They didn't pick up any skills whatsoever in backyard wrestling. That's like saying a trained and experienced jockey actually honed his skills when he was a toddler and rode around on his dads back in the living room.
FrankieLoPosted on 08/12/04 at 01:36:51

I'm sorry to say that backyard fed are nothing but kids that do not what to wait for the correct age to get into a training camp.  And once these kid do hit legal training age, they don't what to waste there time training because they think they know it all already.  For the guys on the indys along with the fed, the training never stops.  That is why backyards don't belong even on this board.
xsouporheroxPosted on 08/12/04 at 05:01:33

On 08/11/04 at 19:13:06, Anubis wrote:

Tell that to Mick Foley or the Hardy Boyz. :P
Yeah, except Foley never actually dig backyard wrestling, and was actually a trained worker. Jeff Hardy is a spot monkey that makes RVD look like Ric Flair,a nd Matt Hardy is a gifted worker who I can almost promise you trained at some point in time to be that good.
americamamushiPosted on 08/12/04 at 08:26:33

Matt Hardy is a gifted worker who I can almost promise you trained at some point in time to be that good.
I'd bet money on it.

I'd also like to state for the record that not all backyarders are like FrankieLo described... most prolly are, but not all.  Backyarding is all fine and dandy (I know alot of indy workers that did it before they got into the business) as long as you're smart and safe about it (in my opinion.  and I'm not talking about backyarders who just hit eachother with crap, thats just crap.  At least when Mr. Pogo does it I don't die a little on the inside :))  I know of at least one guy that was a backyarder (though I only met him a couple times) that was a backyarder and then started training and he was (as far as I know/remember) a good student, no backyard ego or anything... at least not that he showed.  Heres some advice to any backyarders on the TNM boards that are reading this and plan on going into actual wrestling training in the future: You don't know jack squat.  No matter what you think you know, you don't know anything.  As long as you remember that that goofing around with your friends in your basement, yard, ect. is totally and completely different and does not constitute training in any aspect whatsoever, then you'll be fine.  Though I agree that they should be thought of/treated as FrankieLo described untill they prove otherwise. ;D
91Posted on 08/12/04 at 14:16:48

On 08/12/04 at 05:01:33, xsouporherox wrote:


Yeah, except Foley never actually dig backyard wrestling, and was actually a trained worker. Jeff Hardy is a spot monkey that makes RVD look like Ric Flair,a nd Matt Hardy is a gifted worker who I can almost promise you trained at some point in time to be that good.
All three of them were trained - no respectable promotion would let anyone compete if they hadn't been trained.
Rick GarrardPosted on 08/12/04 at 14:32:21

That doesn't explain how the Insane Clown Posse got gigs with WCW, ECW, and WWF.  
Colin EganPosted on 08/12/04 at 17:06:22

True, but had the ICP just been backyard wrestlers, they never would have gotten any of those shots.  Those opportunities (all of which they failed to fully capitalize on) where given to them as a result of their popularity as recording artists, not on account as their success as wrestlers.  They belong more in the catagory of a Toby Keith than of a Josh Prohibition.

Colin
91Posted on 08/12/04 at 21:55:32

Well they didn't even get physically involved in a WWF ring, did they? And even though they have since set foot in a ring and wrestled, they've doubtless got a certain level of training. Hell, even WCW was smart enough to teach all their celebrity guys some basics. They'd have been off their heads to have not done so.
Snabbit888Posted on 08/12/04 at 22:07:43

ICP, I believe, were actually indy wrestlers before they were rappers.  They still suck, but regardless.
Rick GarrardPosted on 08/13/04 at 02:57:39

Rumor has it that most of their recordings aren't really even them.  But that's just pure speculation.

And I'm sure they got "some" training.  But when your main focus is to be a garbage wrestler ala New Jack, how much training do you REALLY need?  

Remember David Flair's initial days in WCW?  He was so green that they threw him into the hardcore division just to hide how lacking in skill he was.  Personally I can't wait until his brother Reid, the better of the Flair brothers when it comes to wrestling, is old enough to turn pro.  :)  Imagine the Flair Brothers in the WWE managed by Ric Flair.  It would be like having the Funks managed by Dory Sr.  

CarlzillaPosted on 08/13/04 at 13:06:36

Although I am sure he has trained extensivly, Bryan Danielson (acording to OWW) was a yard tard...and no one can deny the fact that he has real talent...

Now I am not defending backyard wrestling...it's pretty lame, but sometimes it can encourage kids to get real training and become decent workers...
rey619Posted on 08/13/04 at 14:50:36

Although this thread has strayed from its original purpose, I will say something about TNM's unforgiving mood. A while back ago, I downloaded a fantasy pack consisting of 100+ wrestlers and started a fed. Now, these were wrestlers with 100 work rate and/or charisma, and no matter what, the crowd hated them and chanted for the ref and so on. The matches were also not very good ratingwise. I wonder why this is?
Rick GarrardPosted on 08/13/04 at 15:12:19

I bet it has something to do with constantly putting face against face and heel against heel.  And probably a bunch of spot monkeys in there as well.
xsouporheroxPosted on 08/13/04 at 17:12:10

Yeah Carl, AmDrag started out in the yard. But he also trained a lot down in Texas.
FrankieLoPosted on 08/14/04 at 05:00:56

With my dealing on the indys I've only came across two wrestlers that have gone from backyard to indys legit that was Josh Probition and M-Dogg 20.  I've been on shows with these boys and they know there stuff and they were traininged by Cleveland, Ohio's longest running promoter JT Lightning (12+ Years).  So I must say those two I have respect for.

Frankie Lo