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Judges?

HugeRockStar760Posted on 02/20/04 at 07:36:47

I was watching the Flair/Steamboat WrestleWar match from the Ric Flair DVD and came up with an idea for a possible future TNM build.

I noticed that their match had a 60 minute time limit, but that in the case of a draw, DQ, or countout, the match would be decided by the three judges at ringside.  

Also, Flair/Sting from Clash I is another example of judges playing a role in wrestling matches.

It's probably a fringe feature that only a few of us would use.  But I think it would add a twist on the time limit draw.  Plus, I think it could work just like how assigning referees work currently.  

pszPosted on 03/02/04 at 13:58:06

Personally, I always liked the idea of ring judges (Assuming they were "impartial" like refs)... Adds a bit of class and "legitimacy" to matches.

My $0.02 ;->
Oliver CoppPosted on 03/02/04 at 20:36:19

I like the idea! What do the others think?

Would this make a good plugin?
CarlzillaPosted on 03/02/04 at 23:20:16

I'd use it.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 03/03/04 at 00:35:47

On 03/02/04 at 20:36:19, Oliver Copp wrote:I like the idea! What do the others think?

Would this make a good plugin?
Of course, but I'm biased since I started this thread.  
rgarrardPosted on 03/03/04 at 01:04:10

I'd like to see it.  There's many uses for this.  :)
PulsarPosted on 03/03/04 at 02:35:36

I smell a good way to end fued's, or have a judge bias system like so

Match: Triple H vs. Chris Beniot

Judge #1 Name: Ric Flair
Judge Bias #: (5 even. 1 solely triple H, 10 solely Chris Beniot)

etc... Sound plausable?
HugeRockStar760Posted on 03/03/04 at 06:56:42

It's funny how no one really took my idea seriously until Oliver put the seal of approval on it.   :'(
rgarrardPosted on 03/03/04 at 14:10:43

I liked it before then. :-/
Chad_SiskPosted on 03/03/04 at 16:39:55

Sounds good to me.
Mr_BicepsPosted on 03/06/04 at 14:41:53

Wow, judges would be great. I would definatly use them. Would it only be for real important matches, or for any match with a time limit?
Snabbit888Posted on 03/24/04 at 00:06:37

I, too, am all for this judges plugin.
Oliver CoppPosted on 04/09/04 at 10:33:07

Well, you'd of course have trigger it on and off per match.

In my opinion, it would make the most sense in combination with matches that go for a number of rounds of a certain length :)
TiLoBrownPosted on 04/09/04 at 17:23:02

On 04/09/04 at 10:33:07, Oliver Copp wrote:Well, you'd of course have trigger it on and off per match.

In my opinion, it would make the most sense in combination with matches that go for a number of rounds of a certain length :)
It'll work great for my King Of The Ring title! :)
LillaThrillaPosted on 04/16/04 at 01:01:07

I don't know if I personally would use the judges idea myself, but it sounds good and I can see several situations where it would be useful.  And there have been a few times historically its been used too.

If it does get implemented, the ability to set a judge's bias on a scale of 1-10 (1 = wrestler A, 5 = 50-50/"honest", 10 = wrestler B) would IMO be a very key part of it.
rgarrardPosted on 04/16/04 at 06:31:27

Josh, that's a 9 point scale... and the middle would be 5.5 not 5 if you go from 1 to 10.  you'd have to go from 0 to 10 or from 1 to 9 for 5 to be your mid-point.

Simple math, but I'm sure that it could easily screw up the programming process if not implemented properly.

And for your OTHER post... you seem to ask that SAME thing about once every 6 months when you return from a hiatus.
Oliver CoppPosted on 04/16/04 at 07:49:33

I agree with Josh regarding having a bias and with Rick as for the scale. The only question this poses is: how likely is it then for somebody who is biased for a certain wrestler to judge against him? Would that really ever happen in the real world?
Critic_of_the_DawnPosted on 04/16/04 at 08:15:38

That's why you have the scale.  A 1 or a 9 would automatically result in the judge always ruling in favor of his man, while other numbers would have a sort of point inflation...  Something like this:

1: Only gives points to A
2: +50% Points to A
3: +25% Points to A
4: +10% Points to A
5: Impartial
6: +10% Points to B
7: +25% Points to B
8: +50% Points to B
9: Only gives points to B

Viola.  That way, you can have judges who would never rule against their own man, or you can make things slightly less crooked.  To make things even more interesting, you might split them a bit.  For example, an 8 on the scale might give 25% more points to B and 25% less points to A.  Or somesuch.  Just tossing out ideas.

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
LillaThrillaPosted on 04/16/04 at 19:01:16

On 04/16/04 at 07:49:33, Oliver Copp wrote:I agree with Josh regarding having a bias and with Rick as for the scale. The only question this poses is: how likely is it then for somebody who is biased for a certain wrestler to judge against him? Would that really ever happen in the real world?
While I can't point any examples of 'this real fed did this' I can think of a few examples why it'd be useful...
-each wrestler picks a judge then a 3rd party picks the 3rd judge
-if the judges are faces/heels, they are likely to be at least a little biased toward the face/heel in the match.  especially the heels biased against facse and especailly if you're doing an 'old school' type circuit.
-fued starter.  three unbiased wrestlers are picked.  except one of them secret has a grudge against a match participant which becomes evident in the judging.
-Evil Commissioner appoints the judges cause he's rigging the match against the Face.  so the Judges would all biased in favor of the Evil Commissioner's minion.

Just some ideas.
leftsaidfredPosted on 04/17/04 at 05:30:06

More scenarios:

*Continuing a feud - 3 wrestlers are 'randomly' chosen, and one of them (most likely a heel) just happens to be feuding against the face.
*An expansion on the evil comish view - a possible face turn, as a judge that is supposed to throw it for the heel decides to go with the face because of the fix and ensuing guilt or something like that.
*It could also serve as a way to get some of your less 'over' but still talented workers over with the crowd by recognizing their talents uniquely.
FStanislawczykPosted on 04/17/04 at 07:34:04

It would definitely be a good feature to incorporate. Like it was mentioned above, it would be a good way to end feuds.