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Finisher Similiar To ?

trellianPosted on 08/31/03 at 15:34:11

I haven't seen much wrestling for the last 5-6 years, due to the sad fact that Scandinavian TV stations do not broadcast WWE or any other wrestling fed. So I do not always know what kind of move a finisher is. That is why the Finisher similiar to option is a nice touch. I have discovered, though, that a few wrestlers have Finisher Similiar to = Block. One example that pops to mind is Ivory's Poison Ivory. Is this an error, or does it perhaps mean that the move does not have a similar move?
phudjiePosted on 09/01/03 at 02:36:58

.....when that happens, it generally means that the finisher is unique enough that there isn't a similar enough move, or, the creator of the export just forgot to fill in that field.....
Tom_ImpPosted on 09/01/03 at 08:48:58

I can't answer your particular question, but I can say that I was just browsing a site and saw that Ivory's Poison Ivory is a faceslam. I just checked and that move is in the database so you could change it to that.
Oliver CoppPosted on 09/01/03 at 13:20:08

Do you remember the move Great Muta used to do after he hit his handspring into the corner when the opponent staggered out of the corner?

He grabbed the opponent's hair and hit something akin to a bulldog - only without the headlock. That's what's commonly referred to as a face slam.

The Poison Ivory is more like X-Pac's old X Factor, isn't it?
cerberosPosted on 09/01/03 at 15:16:31

I believe that Ivory's move is the same move as the X-Factor.  I mean Ivory has been reduced to jobbing on Heat with Tommy Dreamer (waste of talent but I won't go off on that) but I am sure that she was using that during her three week push against Jazz that never amounted to anything.

Geno
LionsaultPosted on 09/01/03 at 18:37:50

She's used the sitdown faceslam a couple of times. But, more often than not, she falls to her knees when she does it now.
trellianPosted on 09/02/03 at 18:40:47

Thanks for all the help, I've changed it to "sitdown faceslam" now. I just discovered another wrestler with "block" as the finisher similar to. Christian. If anybody could help me with his Unprettier, I would be grateful.
cerberosPosted on 09/02/03 at 22:29:24

If Tomikaze (sp?) is in there that is basically what the move is.  If it isn't I think block is the best.

Geno
LionsaultPosted on 09/03/03 at 07:47:59

I went with a double underhook faceslam, as at the end of the move he has both the opponent's arms hooked and slams their body down forward.
John ProulxPosted on 09/03/03 at 16:24:45

On 09/03/03 at 07:47:59, Lionsault wrote:I went with a double underhook faceslam, as at the end of the move he has both the opponent's arms hooked and slams their body down forward.
You're better off using "Block", given how the "Similar To" field affects things.
DominusPosted on 09/06/03 at 11:18:50

Just so you know, if a move is selected as "Block" I don't really think anything is selected.  But I'm not entirely sure on this one.
Oliver CoppPosted on 09/08/03 at 18:23:21

A key thing to note is that when selecting a "similar to" move, you need to picture what is being done at the beginning of the move.

For instance, take the Pedigree. If Triple H wants to counter a move with the Pedigree, what regular move is there in the database that best matches what he's trying to do?

The answer: a piledriver. In any and all situations where you could counter a move with a piledriver, you could just as well counter it with the Pedigree.

It's just a matter of looking at things from the right angle :-)
Critic_of_the_DawnPosted on 09/09/03 at 15:34:21

So, in other words, if you want to actually see countering into finishers happen, you're better off listing a fairly common move that's a bit similar than the move that corresponds most exactly, yes?

So Benoit's Crippler Crossface would be Similar To an armbar submission, the Angle Slam to a backdrop, the Jackhammar to a vertical suplex, the Rock Bottom to (maybe) a belly to belly suplex, the Gore to a lariat, etc?

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
Oliver CoppPosted on 09/11/03 at 20:07:09

That would be the best way to put it --- unless of course you regularly use the move you're substituting for as a counter in the database.

It all comes down to this: the "similar to" flag helps make wrestlers execute their finishers as counters to other moves.

Can you use the "Angle Slam" as a move being similar to the "Angle Slam" finisher? Yes, you can. However, it only makes sense if you have moves in your database that will be countered with the move "Angle Slam". Otherwise it simply won't have any effect.

That's the reason why you should shoot for more common moves that actually are used as counters - although it should be in a logical manner.

For precisely that reason I wouldn't substitute the gore for a lariat because lariats as counters usually happen in cases where the wrestler is stationary as opposed to moving.

The Angle Slam would be more a back suplex rather than a backdrop (which is the move where you whip the opponent into the ropes, duck down and elevate him high on the rebound).