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HEY OLIVER!  Can this be patched?

Fighter_HayabusaPosted on 08/15/03 at 20:12:34

So I wanted to run an Ultimate Submission match (submission-only Iron Man match), but it seems TNM can't do it.  Listing "Submission Match" in the field for "assign match name" will make it a submissions-only match, but it overrides the Iron Man attribute and makes it a 1-fall match.  Can this be patched?  I want Ultimate Submissions!

Thanks!

FH
rptDX316Posted on 08/15/03 at 20:50:12

Heh, the same thing happened to me once, when I tried to run a 1-hour submission match, between the Undertaker and Triple H.  Helmsley got one fall after about 35 minutes and the match ended.

As Shane McMahon had wrestled (and been soundly beaten) earlier in the night, I wrote it into the storylines that Triple H had persuaded Shane to change the match while he was concussed.


Anyways, getting back on topic, couldn't you have just selected the "I Quit" option, and then used the Circuit Editor to change the name of the match to Ultimate Submission afterwards?
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/15/03 at 20:59:05

Hate to disappoint you but that isn't possible just like that. It's simply not implemented.
rptDX316Posted on 08/15/03 at 21:07:23

Iron Man I Quit seems to be the only way around it, case in point:

Iron Man I-Quit Match
Kurt Angle beat Chris Benoit 3 falls to 2:
        x Angle beat Benoit via the Ankle Lock in 0:15:50
        x Angle beat Benoit via the Ankle Lock in 0:27:25
        x Angle beat Benoit via the Ankle Lock in 0:43:28
        x Benoit beat Angle via the Crippler Crossface in 0:52:23
        x Benoit beat Angle via the Crippler Crossface in 0:56:38
        x time limit expired (Benoit and Angle) in 1:00:00
Rating: **** 1/4
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/15/03 at 21:39:45

Yes but technically that's an I Quit Match, not a Submission Match :-)
rptDX316Posted on 08/15/03 at 23:15:14

Well, it's as close as we're gonna get  ;D

Anyways, I don't think I've ever had an I Quit match yet where anyone has given up without being in a submission hold.
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/16/03 at 01:05:17

That's why I said "technically" *g*. It's a submission match with a different name ;)
DominusPosted on 08/16/03 at 01:39:50

Ok I'm confussed.  A submission match is a match that can only end in a submission move, and an I Quit Match is a match where the wrestler can quit at anytime.  But in TNM, I've never seen a persion 'Quit' unless they were in a submission move.  Can someone please help me out here?
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/16/03 at 08:42:41

Well, I had that very same confusion when in roughly 20 years of NWA/WCW I had seen about a dozen I Quit matches and not one of them ended in anything other than a submission move :)
DominusPosted on 08/16/03 at 09:07:31

So in a TNM I-Quit match how can a match end??

and in a TNM Submission match, how can a match end??
el_dirkoPosted on 08/16/03 at 15:36:07

On 08/16/03 at 08:42:41, Oliver Copp wrote:Well, I had that very same confusion when in roughly 20 years of NWA/WCW I had seen about a dozen I Quit matches and not one of them ended in anything other than a submission move :)
The notable exception probably being Magnum vs Tully at StarrCade 85.
DarkAndEvilBastardPosted on 08/17/03 at 05:25:12

Of course, this is WWF...but Mankind "quit" in an I Quit match after a million and a half chairshots.

Any kind of brutal beating, etc., could end an I Quit match, in theory.

Should I ever achieve my dream of being a wrestling booker, I'll be sure to book all kinds of innovative I Quit finishes.
rptDX316Posted on 08/17/03 at 10:35:59

On 08/17/03 at 05:25:12, DarkAndEvilBastard wrote:Should I ever achieve my dream of being a wrestling booker, I'll be sure to book all kinds of innovative I Quit finishes.
How about one where the guys quits after the severely burned mental patient who can't drive stick threatens to hurt his overly masculine looking girlfriend?

No wait, that's been done.
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/17/03 at 21:36:56

Just to clear this up, there are ways in TNM 7 of wrestlers quitting in an I Quit Match that don't involve a submission hold. However, the circumstances are very specific and therefore not all that likely to happen.

Finishes like the one between Rock and Foley with the multiple chairshots aren't possible in TNM because the name of (this) game remains wrestling and as dramatic as the finish was, it had nothing to do with wrestling.