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Terry Gordy

91Posted on 08/13/03 at 05:11:50

OK, his finisher is the Asiatic Spike, but what the hell is that?
DemonDanPosted on 08/13/03 at 05:19:30

a thumb to the throat, IIRC.
Yet_Another_MikePosted on 08/13/03 at 20:11:06

I think that it's the "Tonga Death Grip" move that Meng/ Haku used for awhile. He just clamped down on the shoulder/neck area, supposedly on a nerve.
JarOfMonkeysPosted on 08/13/03 at 20:20:30

A shoulder nerve hold is kind of stupid sounding to me. Although in Japan, a stepover toehold is considered to be the move of the gods, so go figure.

A thumb to the throat doesn't sound so impactful either. Yeah, it'll knock you down, but unless he uses a shovel to poke you in the throat, would you really stay down for three?

Well, I guess as long as he doesn't show up at my front door and poke me in the throat, all will be gravy.
DominusPosted on 08/13/03 at 21:18:33

What is a stepover toehold?
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/13/03 at 21:34:14

I remember it as a thumb to the throat as well...

Stepover toe hold is the move you do as first half of the figure four - the twisting-around-the-opponent's-leg part.

Japan works a bit differently than we're used to, that's for sure ;)
rptDX316Posted on 08/13/03 at 21:41:55

Gordy had a brief spell as The Executioner in the then-WWF in 96.  He fought the Undertaker at In Your House 12, so check that out if you want to see an example of the Asiatic Spike.

SauronPosted on 08/14/03 at 01:34:57

Check out some Terry Funk matches for the step-over toehold in all its godliness.  ;D
91Posted on 08/14/03 at 03:06:17

Speaking of "moves of gods", dontcha think they should start making certain moves out to be deadly again, like the piledriver or something?
JarOfMonkeysPosted on 08/14/03 at 03:54:48

Well, considering that Vince banned anything that even remotely resembles a piledriver (the bastage), we won't have to worry about glorifying that. Otherwise, I would. After all, when he did it right, Kane's rapid Tombstone Piledriver looked wicked. Was definitely my favorite if I had to choose between his or Undertaker's.

How about making submissions out to be deadly again, if anything? I remember a time when moves like the Crossface Chickenwing, the Sharpshooter, and even Barry Darsow's God-awful reverse hammerlock in WCW were feared moves. Now, if you see Ric Flair put someone in the Figure Four, you're not that impressed, since everyone escapes. But in his heyday, they made it look like he was trying to break their leg, and they screamed like it too. Ah, the good old days.....
DragonShirasayaPosted on 08/14/03 at 05:44:13

You know, I think it comes down to the fact that no one can sell a move anymore. Most wrestlers really don't know how to sell a move to make it look legit. Also, the announcers don't put over many moves like they should be. They are too busy talking about how Kane is going to destroy someone an hour and a half later. It really kills any effectiveness for the wrestlers in the ring trying to make something that doesn't look like crap.

Plain and simple, I think the wrestling aspect of American pro-wrestling is a lost art. Even the very best wrestlers in the US (Eddie Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho) can't really do much with the watered-down WWE style. Announcing is also a lost art - I mean, no one even comes close to the duo of Monsoon and Heenan. That might be a testament to their skills, but the gap between them and any team out there today is too large for it just to be on their part. When no one is putting over anyone in the small ways, its no wonder everyone complains that a lot of guys aren't getting the pushes they deserve.

And that is my two cents...
Yet_Another_MikePosted on 08/14/03 at 06:01:27

I have to agree with you about Monsoon and Heenan. I've been watching some old Wrestlemanias lately and they're great as a team.

And back to the Asiatic Spike, I found this in the BBOWM in the submission moves section:

Thumb to the Neck
Used by : Terry Gordy, Meng
AKA : The Asian/Asiatic/Oriental Spike
Description : The attacker drives their thumb into the side of the victim's neck. Can be applied from the front or the back.
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/14/03 at 07:38:09

Dragon - I absolutely agree with you.

Regarding Monsoon/Heenan, there's one thing I'd like to add. When they did their announcing, they had basically free reign and could say what they wanted at all times.

Obviously, when you're rolling with what you truly think and feel, your commentary will be much more gripping, witty and funny. And those two were *the* best at the time.

As much as everybody keeps ripping on Lawler, I'm not sure the criticism is fair. All announcers (at least WWE, I'm not aware of TNA doing the same) constantly have Vince and Kevin Dunn feeding them lines to deliver immediately, whether it fits into the context of what they had just been saying or not. Jim Ross is the only one of them who can afford to take liberties and at times won't say what they are feeding him. Nobody else, not Lawler, Cole or Tazz (not to mention the B-team) can afford that luxury.

Would Heenan and Gorilla be as funny today as they used to be back "in the day"? I don't think so.
DominusPosted on 08/14/03 at 09:15:49

I was going to mention the Ric Flair thing too.  After watching him put the Figure-Four on Goldberg and Goldberg just getting out of it really made me think if he's made anyone submit to the move in the last 3 or 4 years!  It really puts a damper on who he really is.  I did like how Goldberg sold (well half assly) the injury to the leg though, brought back memories of Bret Hart's old matches.
Oliver CoppPosted on 08/14/03 at 12:22:23

Ric Flair hardly ever made anybody besides jobbers and midcarders at best submit to the figure four even in his prime... that's what you get for being a heel. Just for fun, I dug up the 1988 Wrestling Observers. Counting TV and major house shows, Ric Flair wrestled 58 singles matches in 1988. Of these 58 matches, he won two squashes, two matches against midcarders (Bobby Fulton and Tim Horner), drew a few times with Sting and lost every other match. Did it damage his legacy? No.

I don't mind the way Flair is being booked at all. He's being kept strong despite his age, is definitely over and helps get other acts over. That is what a professional should be doing.

He is, obviously, The Man.
AllPowerfulGARTHPosted on 08/14/03 at 14:49:31

And if it makes you feel any better, Dominus, Flair did get the Hurricane to submit to the figure four a few months back.
rptDX316Posted on 08/14/03 at 18:51:33

So did Jericho, although that was nearly a year ago.