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BWBearPosted on 03/22/05 at 16:31:40

These are a few ideas I have thought up while toynig with TNM.  Hopefully I'm not repeating earlier suggestions.

1)  A way to run joint cards between more than one circuit (Raw and Smackdown present The Royale Rumble)

2)  Conditional matches on a card (Batista gets a title shot if he can beat Flair first.)

3)  Gender requirements on mystery/random opponents.  Anyone who has tried to get their World Heavyweight title off of Wendi Richter knows where I'm coming from.

4)  Move vs. move matches, where the pinfall or submission can come only as a result of a finisher.  Imagine Sting and Bret where the only way to win is to make your opponent submit to the Scorpion/Sharpshooter or Kurt Angle vs. Ken Shamrock to show who the true Ankle Lock master is.  Or Eddy Guerrero vs. D'Lo to decide the master of the Frog Splash.  Or Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Adams to decide who truly has Sweet Chin Music.

5)  How about allowing a tag team partner/stablemate to accompany a wrestler to the ring as a manager does?

Just a few of my ideas.  Hope they are helpful.
americamamushiPosted on 03/22/05 at 18:02:43

4)  Move vs. move matches, where the pinfall or submission can come only as a result of a finisher.
You can always book a match to end by finisher with the attacker and victim being any.  You'd have to slap on a time limit, but it'd still end finisher vs. finisher.  Then just name the match "Finisher vs. Finisher."   I've done that in the past in my federations.  If two people had the same finisher they'd feud about who's was better and end up having a Finisher vs. Finisher match where the loser had to change there finisher.  In an unbooked turn of events, Randy Savage wasn't allowed to use the Flying Elbow Drop because Shocker beat him in such a match.

5)  How about allowing a tag team partner/stablemate to accompany a wrestler to the ring as a manager does?
You already can do this.  ie.  Give Bubba Ray Dudley D-Von as a manager and vice versa.  With improvements that Oliver made (i believe in the last build) They'll come down to the ring with eachother during singles matches, but won't when they team because TNM will recognize them as already being there.  Nifty, eh? ;)

P.S. Welcome to the boards ;D
BWBearPosted on 03/22/05 at 18:58:49

Thanks Mamushi.  I never thought of doing that for the finisher vs. finisher.  But of course, this only works if they use the same finisher.  What if you wanted to pit Ric Flair's figure four against Sting's Scorpion Deathlock?

Also, I realize you can add people as managers, but then you have to go to the trouble of adding them to the managers database, and I, in my infinite laziness, was looking for an easier way.
americamamushiPosted on 03/22/05 at 19:24:13

But of course, this only works if they use the same finisher.  What if you wanted to pit Ric Flair's figure four against Sting's Scorpion Deathlock?
That would still work.  They are both submissions so you'd just book a submission finish where the finisher is used.  The problem would lie in an impact finisher vs. a submission as a pinfall finish and a submission finish are booked in separate locations.
Oliver CoppPosted on 05/15/05 at 13:36:21

1) This one isn't possible due to the fact that some matches would have to influence ratings, heat levels and such in one circuit while influencing these same values in another circuit in different matches. "Under the hood", deep changes would have to be made to accomodate this.

2) This being wrestling, have you ever seen such a stip where the conditional thing DIDN'T happen?

3) Mystery/random opponents need a lot of work. I have that on my list.

4) In some form, this can already be done, as has been suggested. Would it work for you if I made another match flag "match has to end with finisher"?

5) Would you always do this? Or would you want to specify when it happens? In stables, how should it be decided which member accompanies?
Critic of the DawnPosted on 05/15/05 at 15:52:12

On 05/15/05 at 13:36:21, Oliver Copp wrote:
2) This being wrestling, have you ever seen such a stip where the conditional thing DIDN'T happen?
No, but I also haven't seen a 2/3 Falls match that doesn't go to three falls, or a Best of n series that doesn't go to n matches, and both are possible in TNM.  Silly me, I like to leave things mostly unbooked and treat my circuits like they were a legitimate sport, even when the show suffers as a result. ;)

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
rey619Posted on 05/15/05 at 17:28:28

With regards to the finisher vs finisher question.. why not simply have  a match, and continuing every time a match is finished through any other means than the finishers. No problem at all.
americamamushiPosted on 05/15/05 at 18:45:28

but I also haven't seen a 2/3 Falls match that doesn't go to three falls
In lucha every match is 2/3 falls and even then I've only seen it end in 2 a few times.

Best of n series that doesn't go to n matches
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why not simply have  a match, and continuing every time a match is finished through any other means than the finishers. No problem at all.
Hitting "C" takes away from it's rating, does it not?  Not to mention that if you save the entire text of the match you have to go back and edit it at every place you hit "C" because the match ending is still in there.  It doesn't change "One, two, three" to "One, two, kickout."  I think hitting "R" to restart the entire match would be more beneficial.  If you do that you should check your injured list though because sometimes an injury occurs in a match, then you restart it, but the injury is still registered in TNM even though it won't show up in the final results (You'd need tweak to fix this).  As far as I know that is the only adverse effect from "R"
rey619Posted on 05/15/05 at 22:52:10

Well, in my experience, pressing 'c' increases the ratings, as it goes on for longer, and that is a large factor in my experience. You could be right with the PBP thing though.. never uses those.. so yeah, press 'R'.. it may take some time to get the finisher you want that way, but if you use Tweak Circ you can set the Force Finisher as Finish rating to 100%... if the finisher is the move you are looking for, that is.
Rick GarrardPosted on 05/16/05 at 02:50:58

3) Mystery/random opponents need a lot of work. I have that on my list.
I apologize on behalf of myself and Eric CotD for "breaking" the mystery/random opponent functions that were always there.  ;)
Critic of the DawnPosted on 05/17/05 at 00:11:37

I don't apologise!  It was all Rick's fault!  If he hadn't released his Oldschool Rules, I never would have done my ROH rules which used the m key even more!

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
DominusPosted on 06/15/05 at 15:32:06

Silly me, I like to leave things mostly unbooked and treat my circuits like they were a legitimate sport, even when the show suffers as a result. Wink
Yeah thats the way I do it too...  I like to treat it like it's a real sport & the guys actually have legitimate heat & injuries!  It's great!
UnrightPosted on 06/16/05 at 19:18:52

On 05/15/05 at 13:36:21, Oliver Copp wrote:2) This being wrestling, have you ever seen such a stip where the conditional thing DIDN'T happen?
When the Radicalz (Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, & Eddie Guerrero) first showed up on WWF television, they were challenged to a series of matches that if they won they would get WWF contracts. IIRC Eddie injured his arm so they ended up losing all three matches and screwed up the booking like crazy.