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LillaThrillaPosted on 05/17/04 at 20:00:13

If it would be possible, it would be neat to have a way to associate injuries with wrestlers.  HBK's back, the neck of anyone who's had neck surgery (half the WWE stars).

This would involve when a wrestler suffers an injury in a match, TNM would first check if they had any injury modifiers and that would increase the chance of what their random injury was.

Taking this a step further, perhaps also a modifier for wrestlers getting injured more often or injuring an opponent more often.  Ahmed Johnson comes to mind as an example, on both counts.
Critic of the DawnPosted on 05/17/04 at 20:15:13

No!  I'm using Ahmed Johnson in NDW!  Wait until he quits to implement this! ;D

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
DominusPosted on 05/18/04 at 01:42:17

Yeah I brought that up just two days ago in the help or the discussion session.
Dameyon_MoorePosted on 05/19/04 at 13:25:41

I'd also like to add the whole career ending injury aspect I've suggested in the past to this.  I don't know if it's possible at all, but if there was a way to just put a flag on a wrestler within a circuit because his injury was too damaging for him to continue, that would be pretty cool.  I sound like a sadistic bastard, heh.

I'd also like to suggest, keeping within the same theme here, a stiffness marker of some sort.  The higher the stiffness marker (1 - 100, or whatever) the more prone the wrestler is to injur his opponent in a match.  As for the injury prone wrestlers, those that get injured much more frequently, if there was a way to connect the stamina meter of a wrestler to the frequencies of injuries, that might work, or maybe even the work rate, as well.  'Cause, usually, the sloppiest wrestlers are the ones that get injured a lot because of their sloppiness.

Just some thoughts.
DominusPosted on 05/20/04 at 07:47:42

Also risktakers & high flyers, should be more liable to get injured every once & awhile.

Hmm thinking about this even more there should be an option in TNM TweakCirc that lets you change how often injuries happen in your Circuit (Let's say you run a UFC style circuit?!?)
Dameyon_MoorePosted on 05/20/04 at 07:52:48

On 05/20/04 at 07:47:42, Dominus wrote:Also risktakers & high flyers, should be more liable to get injured every once & awhile.

Hmm thinking about this even more there should be an option in TNM TweakCirc that lets you change how often injuries happen in your Circuit (Let's say you run a UFC style circuit?!?)
We might be taking it too far, I don't know the limits of TNM's code/programming at all, but your mention of high-flyers reminded me of the TLC matches between the Hardyz, the Dudleyz and E&C.  Certain matches could also have a higher probability of injury in 'em.
AnubisPosted on 07/03/04 at 01:11:51

Actually, those who do high-risk moves seem to get injured less often.  It's odd.

Think about it.  WWE has more injuries than any other promotion at the moment, and yet they have so many banned moves and rules in place to water down matches that they shouldn't have any.

On the other hand, NWA-TNA has nearly ECW-esque matches and yet have very few injuries and almost no career-ending level injuries.

Basically, doing high-risk moves seems to tone the body better to resist more punishment.  The less risk you take, the more liable you are to get hurt by taking even a single bad bump, but the more risk you take, the more able you'll be to take a bad bump and not get hurt.
91Posted on 07/03/04 at 02:36:51

To be fair, the WWE has a much bigger roster than anyone else, and a much bigger injury crisis before they started banning moves.

Thing is, you might be right about high flying wrestlers being injured less (lord knows I don't have the figures) but if an aerial wrestler were injured, it would probably be a lot worse.
AnubisPosted on 07/04/04 at 08:12:39

The worst recent injuries I know of all belong to "safe" wrestlers, save for one.

Hayabusa's was the worst, and I haven't the foggiest idea how he botched such a simple move so bad, but other than him, the worst injuries have gone to Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Edge, and Triple H (three necks and a quad).  All are "safe" wrestlers.

Yet A.J. Styles, one of the most extreme, has never to my knowledge had a serious injury.  The same goes for Christopher Daniels and a host of crazy Japanese wrestlers.
americamamushiPosted on 07/04/04 at 08:18:54

Yet A.J. Styles, one of the most extreme, has never to my knowledge had a serious injury.  The same goes for Christopher Daniels and a host of crazy Japanese wrestlers.
I have a theory that 99% of Japanese wrestlers have necks made of solid titanium, completely unbreakable by normal means. :)
CarlzillaPosted on 07/04/04 at 09:09:11

On 07/04/04 at 08:12:39, Anubis wrote:The worst recent injuries I know of all belong to "safe" wrestlers, save for one.

Hayabusa's was the worst, and I haven't the foggiest idea how he botched such a simple move so bad,
The ring ropes weren't properly tightened. At least that is what I have read in numerous places.
AnubisPosted on 07/04/04 at 21:14:46

Thanks for the clarification, Carlzilla.  That explains it perfectly, seeing as an Asai moonsault is so basic even I could probably do it without getting hurt, and Hayabusa was the best worker in the world.

That also just supports my point even more, as it wasn't Hayabusa's fault but rather the ring crew's fault for not tightening the ropes.
PulsarPosted on 07/05/04 at 01:10:14

Hayabusa's was the worst, and I haven't the foggiest idea how he botched such a simple move so bad, but other than him, the worst injuries have gone to Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Edge, and Triple H (three necks and a quad).  All are "safe" wrestlers.
Angle's neck stems from WAY before WWE, when he broke it as an amatuer, and just pure abuse made it worse. Beniot's stems from 18 or some odd years of falling on the neck. Edge's is about the same. And Triple H's quad is most likely the build of his frame, versus the ability of the human anatomy.

I'd put good money that AJ Styles will need neck surgery at some point of his career. Look at Rob Van Dam, ecw era. He broke a leg, a pretty bad injury, as he was sidelined as long, if not longer, then the ones you mentioned. Also, alot of your "extreme" or "risky" wrestlers have only been doing it 5 years or less, minus Daniels. Give them time, and I bet they'll all be in surgery.
darkmimePosted on 07/05/04 at 02:53:53

Well, and another thing as well is that the WWE seems intent on bringing up young and untalented "Hosses"

I wouldn't want to wrestle a 6'8" guy who doesn't really know what he's doing :X

Of course for that very reason I'm suprised their aren't alot more serious injuries in the independent federations =/
Owen Hart RIPPosted on 07/22/04 at 23:29:15

Remember back at No Mercy 2002, when Jericho attempted the "Lionsault" during a tag match and the rope broke?
AnubisPosted on 07/23/04 at 04:18:13

I'd just like to add WWE has had MORE injuries per capita since starting to ban all the moves.

I think this is how it actually goes: those who take more risks can sustain more damage before getting an actual injury, while those who play it safe can't even handle a slight injury because their bodies aren't able to handle it.
Owen Hart RIPPosted on 07/23/04 at 04:22:01

Edge is a prime example of that. It's not that Edge don't take risks. It's just that he does too many damn spears
xsouporheroxPosted on 07/23/04 at 04:27:05

On 07/23/04 at 04:18:13, Anubis wrote:I'd just like to add WWE has had MORE injuries per capita since starting to ban all the moves.

I think this is how it actually goes: those who take more risks can sustain more damage before getting an actual injury, while those who play it safe can't even handle a slight injury because their bodies aren't able to handle it.
Maybe, maybe not. A lot of it has to do with the fact that most of these guys in the WWE getting hurt having been wrestling for years and years and it just slowly breaks their bodies down while the majority of indie workers haven't been working as long, or working as intense a schedule. The travel schedule of WWE wrestlers is not exactly good for their long term health.
Owen Hart RIPPosted on 07/23/04 at 07:20:54

On 07/23/04 at 04:27:05, xsouporherox wrote:


Maybe, maybe not. A lot of it has to do with the fact that most of these guys in the WWE getting hurt having been wrestling for years and years and it just slowly breaks their bodies down while the majority of indie workers haven't been working as long, or working as intense a schedule. The travel schedule of WWE wrestlers is not exactly good for their long term health.
Good points, but how do you explain less injuries in Puroresu, and they have far more dangerous moves? and some of those guys (Misawa) have been around as long as a lot of WWE guys.
AnubisPosted on 07/23/04 at 07:40:05

Actually, the harsh schedule probably has the biggest impact on their health in all honesty.  That's why none of the precautions they take work.  More than anything, it's never good for an athlete to work 265+ days per year.
xsouporheroxPosted on 07/23/04 at 18:19:07

Because Puro guys don't work nearly as many shows as WWE guys do so their bodies have more time to heal in between matches. They will go on their tours where they wrestle maybe 7 days in two weeks or so, then not wrestle again for two weeks. Hypothetical numbers here, but yeah.
americamamushiPosted on 07/23/04 at 18:26:11

I would also like to reiterate my theory that Japanese wrestlers have necks & possibly other bones made of solid steel and are virtually unbreakable by mortal strength and means. ;)
Owen Hart RIPPosted on 07/23/04 at 18:43:47

On 07/23/04 at 18:26:11, americamamushi wrote:I would also like to reiterate my theory that Japanese wrestlers have necks & possibly other bones made of solid steel and are virtually unbreakable by mortal strength and means. ;)
Except for Hayabusa  :(
AnubisPosted on 07/23/04 at 23:42:45

That was so very bad but still very funny.  I dunno if I should be sick or on the floor.

As for the schedule, blame Vince.  Hell, there's hardly no point to having so many damn house shows, they aren't profitable, and it's not like WWE needs the exposure.  Vince is killing his roster.  Then again, that guy has always been a few cards short of a full deck.  I would never wanna work for him, he's one of the worst people EVER.  I have no respect for him at all.