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americamamushiPosted on 05/21/04 at 03:30:24

Here are some ideas.  Some are more cosmetic than anything else.  Just adding more realism flavor to a circuit.  Others might actually be usefull to some degree.   ;D

Set a time limit to a specific match: Like if you're main events have a 60 minute time limit and your other matches don't you could just set it to this time limit.  And maybe it could add this statement to the match header so that it would end up in the results, like when 'no time limit' is selected.

Gimmick Intigration: Dunno how it could get worked in or anything of the sort, other than if you were to tweak the system a little (or alot, dunno how hard it would be) to where some wrestlers wouldn't play certain gimmicks, ect.  Like in EWR.  It would add more realism, but this is more of just a nice idea, sort of 'perfect world' tnm thing.  ;D

Wrestler Ages: This would be difficult since TNM doesn't run on a calander, unless there was a button to hit where you could advance the wrestler ages in your circuit a year.  On one hand this would be cosmetic, on the other, when wrestlers age they would be more likely to be injured or injured worse, retire, ect.

Improved FCA-like thingy:  This has been suggested before, I know, just reiterating.  Or having the ability to enter gimmick match specific spots/ending (like a simplified version of FCA)  OH!  Which gives me another idea...

Wrestler Specific Spots: The ability to enter in special spots the wrestler preforms that others don't.  I don't really mean like having the desperation move either, I know there are special mechanics (at least I think there are) to the desperation move field.  A spot field where you could enter certain little tid-bits, like how Jeff Hardy runs across the barrier outside the ring, or being able to add a couple lines for the people's elbow, ect., ect.  Make sense?

Face Paint Flag: This wouldn't really serve any real purpose, just maybe have little tid-bitty lines here and there about the face paint wearing off or something.  Just a little cosmetic idea.

Reasons For Leaving: When a wrestler quits/gives notice it gives a reason why nagging injury, problems with another wrestler, drug-habit, role in a movie, throwing a fit over money or someone working too stiff ect.  And the ability to add your own into the database, it'd just pick one at random when they left.  Just another little tib-bitty cosmetic thing.

Career Ending Injuries: This has been mentioned before too.  This and wrestlers retiring would be good additions I think, from a realism stand-point.  

There are lots of other little things that would add more realism too.  Like wrestlers throwing fits about things, not wanting to work with other wrestlers, refusing to take certain moves, and on and on and on.

Like I said, some are just cosmetic, adding little bits and pieces here and there to flavor your federation and give yuo things to work around, and some may not be possible, but hey, just throwin them out there. :)
The PhantomPosted on 05/21/04 at 15:20:42

I don't want to sound rude but a lot of the stuff you want can kinda be found in Wrestling MPire.

I don't want my TNM to be totally real. I don't want my guys to grow old or die. One thing I could see TNM improving is forcing someone who has an injury to not be able to wrestle. Other than that, I don't want this to be real, I want it to be fantasy.

This is TNM7, not EWR or Wrestling MPire.
Snabbit888Posted on 05/21/04 at 18:34:08

On the flip side though, some of us do want the realism and not so much the fantasy.  If these options have flags to turn them off and on, then I don't see why not.  Of course, unless they don't work for programming reasons.

The only one I don't think can work is the Reasons for Leaving.  I believe Oliver once said something about potential lawsuit issues if wrestlers start leaving for drug-related reasons in the program. Something to that effect.
DominusPosted on 05/22/04 at 08:43:29

Yeah I don't like the fantasy thing, I like the real aspect of it. & I hate when people request stuff like Super Electric Cage Matches with the cage missing on one side & replaced with a plate of glass! oh, & the ring is floating on a tank filled with pirahanas! :P Geez give me a break.... ;D

What do you mean by Gimmick Intigration? Some wrestlers wouldn't play certian gimmicks? Huh?

I like the wrestlers ages, but I'd save that for a TNM8 if there will ever be one. :D ;D

Face Paint Flag!!! Damn I'm still waiting for true Triple Threat & Fatal-Four-Way Matches! :P

I think the career ending injuries you could deal with yourself. Like if a wrestler is out for like 18 cards, (year & a half if you went by the original TNM Contract Time) you could pretty much decide for youself if that wrestler's career is over or not.
americamamushiPosted on 05/22/04 at 17:51:45

Gimmick intigration.  Have an editable database of gimmicks (I don't know what kind of values could be assigned to certain gimmicks to make it all work though) that you can (if you choose to use the feature) assign to your wrestlers like in EWR.  Obviously Doink would be an evil clown.  Lets say you want to turn Doink into a face, Matt Borne may not be happy with it, but since he doesn't really have alot of backstage pull, he'd just deal with it.  But let's say you want to change Hogan from being an old school face to being a clown... obviously Hogan would veto the idea and you'd either have to find a new gimmick he'd accept or just scrap the entire gimmick change idea all together.  Maybe you want to turn Ultimate Warrior into a heel, well, in an instance from real life Warrior won't have that, as this might cause undestrucity (kudos if you got that last part).  Maybe even wrestler relationships like in EWR.  Wrestlers might complain a little if you hire someone they don't like, or praise you for hiring someone they do.  TO get really advanced and real, some wrestlers might not even want to work or putover a wrestler they don't like.  I don't know how easy it would be to add something like this into the current TNM, but food for thought (or hopes for TNM8 which to us would be like the second coming of Jesus)

I know that adding gimmicks and the stuff above is really real and indepth, and some of you don't want those features in your TNM, but obviously all this stuff should be flagged to turn on and off.  I know personally, I would like to run a more realistic federation, where if I use real wrestlers, I have to work around some of their egos and face more real life booker problems than just injuries, no-shows, and quittings.
Critic of the DawnPosted on 05/22/04 at 18:17:49

Not too fond of that idea (the gimmicks, wrestler relationships, etc) actually.  TNM is very much a booker-level simulation, and I think Oliver has been fairly careful to avoid putting in promotion-level stuff unless he's sure he can model it fairly and accurately.  That's why we haven't seen business elements in a TNM program.  Oliver worked on such a project for a while, then concluded that he wouldn't be happy using the degree of abstraction found in other sims such as PW and EWR.

So... yeah.  While I can understand why you'd want that feature in TNM, I don't know that it'd fit in well with the program.  TNM abstracts all the business stuff, leaving you with the task of booking and watching great cards.  Most people tend to take this sort of thing into account anyway - for example, by not booking Hogan as a clown, by playing Warrior as a face, etc.  Putting in a mechanic to enforce it would add a bit of management-level stuff which wouldn't enhance gameplay at all, and would pretty much only serve to add complexity to a code that Oliver's compiler sometimes chokes on already.

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
LionsaultPosted on 05/22/04 at 19:56:03

Yeah, I see TNM as more of a match based sim, not a booker one like EWR. The only thing gimmicks would add is how the crowd reacts to it.
Job Van DamPosted on 06/10/04 at 16:22:23

I agree, TNM is more of a match-based sim. I've played EWR, while the booking aspects are cool to a certain point, the matches have about as much realism as Zeus matches. I had a match where Rey Mysterio Jr. did a DVD. When was the last time anyone seen that happen? And to take away from the Realism, he did it to THE BIG SHOW!" I have a huge problem with that. Then again I also have a huge problem in the WWE where guys like Benoit German Suplex the Big Show too. I'm sorry but it's just not believable. I long for the days where a 200 pounder's signature moves would be no-sold by Giants (at least the ones where you lift your opponent up) Those were the good days!
91Posted on 06/17/04 at 21:36:16

On 06/10/04 at 16:22:23, Job Van Dam wrote:I agree, TNM is more of a match-based sim. I've played EWR, while the booking aspects are cool to a certain point, the matches have about as much realism as Zeus matches. I had a match where Rey Mysterio Jr. did a DVD. When was the last time anyone seen that happen? And to take away from the Realism, he did it to THE BIG SHOW!" I have a huge problem with that. Then again I also have a huge problem in the WWE where guys like Benoit German Suplex the Big Show too. I'm sorry but it's just not believable. I long for the days where a 200 pounder's signature moves would be no-sold by Giants (at least the ones where you lift your opponent up) Those were the good days!
I reckon it's simple evolution of wrestling. To put someone over in the old days, they might have them doing something that nobody else had ever dreamed of doing before. Hogan slamming Andre for example (and yes, I know that it wasn't REALLY a first), that helped get him over a bit more. So when the Warrior comes along and is the next hot thing, big deal, Hogan's way better, he slammed Andre, so the Warrior gets to slam him too, then do some other feats of power and what have you. The further along the timeline you go, the greater accomplishments of strength you might see until yes, you get to see little Chris Benoit military press the Big Show for an hour because all the other bigger, stronger guys have probably done something similar already.

Well, it's a THEORY at least.
CarlzillaPosted on 06/17/04 at 22:50:23

On 05/22/04 at 08:43:29, Dominus wrote:Yeah I don't like the fantasy thing, I like the real aspect of it. & I hate when people request stuff like Super Electric Cage Matches with the cage missing on one side & replaced with a plate of glass! oh, & the ring is floating on a tank filled with pirahanas! :P Geez give me a break.... ;D
Actually they have done the electrofied cage matches, with glass as well...I don't know about the one side replaced with glass thing.

There has also been at least one Pirahna Tank Match as well...I think Mr. Pogo was involved.

Even though you may not agree with the ideas, they are far from fantasy.
91Posted on 06/18/04 at 01:06:12

By the way, the specific match time limit thing is already in TNM.
americamamushiPosted on 06/18/04 at 04:08:45

There has also been at least one Pirahna Tank Match as well...I think Mr. Pogo was involved.
Mitsuhiro Matsunaga was involved in one.  I saw a pic of him after it and he was really bloody, he wasn't just wearing a crimson mask, he was wearing a crimson long sleeve shirt too. :)

There has been at least one Scorpion Tank Death Match too.  Dunno who was in that.

By the way, the specific match time limit thing is already in TNM.
Yes, I realized that by mistake a few days ago :)