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War Games: How does it work?

ZedjaPosted on 02/10/06 at 19:33:44

How does the War Games feature work exactly?
Snabbit888Posted on 02/10/06 at 20:24:04

What do you mean?  Like how does the match itself take place, the rules?  Or how do you actually book one?
ZedjaPosted on 02/10/06 at 20:31:14

The rules, yes. I've never been able to watch one and I can't interupt my federations booking just to test it out.
Mister MunshunPosted on 02/10/06 at 21:16:21

On 02/10/06 at 20:31:14, Zedja wrote:The rules, yes. I've never been able to watch one and I can't interupt my federations booking just to test it out.
While not entirely certain of the functionality of the War Games match myself, here's a suggestion: Start a new Test circuit. You can run it in e-mail mode so you won't need to hire anyone. Or, just install another TNM in a different directory. That way you can test everything from matches to exports to plugins you're uncertain of without messing up your core files.
Snabbit888Posted on 02/10/06 at 21:28:57

War Games works like this: two teams of 5 (in TNM, it can be however many, but it's generally 4 or 5) match up.  The match itself features two rings side by side with a cage around it, complete with a roof.  One man from each team starts in the cage and fight for 5 minutes.  After the 5 minutes is up, there is a coin flip.  The team that won the flip sends one man in, making it a 2-on-1 advantage.  after two more minutes, a man from the other team comes in, making it 2-on-2.  This continues in this pattern with the team that won the flip always having the advantage until all ten men have entered.  At this point, it's basically under I quit rules.  It goes until someone from either team surrenders, via either tapping out to a submission move or giving up so as to not take a heftier beating.

I hope this helps.
ZedjaPosted on 02/10/06 at 23:22:50

Thanks, that clears things up. Sounds like fun :) I'll surely use that some time.

So basically one wrestler is to blame for the loss of an entire team.

As for IWA:
I'm done with the initial tournaments in my unbooked circuit and have about 40% done in the booked circuit.

Then some writeups and I'll be able to start IWA once and for all. With a head start of 15 cards in each circuit.
Rick GarrardPosted on 02/11/06 at 00:58:11

Ryan is spot on in his match description.  The coolest parts of those matches were always the "high-risk" moves from one ring to the other, like Sting diving over the top ropes of both rings from one ring to the other for a flying body press or Barry Windham one whole summer repeatedly finding a new way to get stuck between the two rings during the match.  Saw a picture once of him with his head between the two rings and the rest of his body vertically protruding upwards out from between them to make a ridiculously funny picture.
Perverted_IconPosted on 02/11/06 at 23:47:45

http://youtube.com/w/Wargames-1987?v=2KAnaQJQN-Y&search=dusty%20rhodes

Here is the first Wargames, so now you can't say you haven't seen one.  This is a completely awesome match, by the way.  (Flair, Anderson, Luger, Blanchard, Dillon vs Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, Road Warriors and Ellering)
UnrightPosted on 02/12/06 at 16:09:46

Awesome link, Icon.

I'm guessing nobody does War Games anymore because of the pain of setting up 2 rings (or 3 rings for WWIII). But they could probably pull off a 6 man War Games in one caged ring.
AnubisPosted on 02/19/06 at 11:11:21

MLW was the last promotion to hold War Games, featuring Steve Corino's Horsemen (correct me if I'm wrong).

I remember seeing both the first two War Games on a tope I rented.  Awesome stuff.

Oh, and here's a bit of an interesting note.  During their run in WCW, the Four Horsemen were always called "The Masters of the War Games", but in actuality, the Four Horsemen only participated in four War Games (3-1/2 actually, as War Games 1996 saw Flair and Anderson teaming with Luger and Sting; I suppose it's okay to call them the Four Horsemen, though, since Luger and Sting were at least former members of the group) and LOST all four.
Rick GarrardPosted on 02/19/06 at 15:25:05

MLW was the last promotion to hold War Games, featuring Steve Corino's Horsemen (correct me if I'm wrong).
This is correct.  They also had at one point brought in JJ Dillon and Gary Hart as managers for a few guys and even Barry Windham was wrestling for them!  The MLW TV show used to air on Sunshine Network out of Florida every Monday at 11pm ET.

I remember seeing both the first two War Games on a tope I rented.  Awesome stuff.
Indeed they were great.

Oh, and here's a bit of an interesting note.  During their run in WCW, the Four Horsemen were always called "The Masters of the War Games", but in actuality, the Four Horsemen only participated in four War Games (3-1/2 actually, as War Games 1996 saw Flair and Anderson teaming with Luger and Sting; I suppose it's okay to call them the Four Horsemen, though, since Luger and Sting were at least former members of the group) and LOST all four.
The NWA also had this match on a few house shows as well during the original Horsemen run.  But like you said, they really got their asses kicked in WarGames matches.  And if you look at the results almost never was a legit member of the unit the one to surrender or submit.  In 1987 it was JJ Dillon that gave up at the July 4, GAB WarGames.  And most likely it was the War Machine that later gave up on July 31 in a rematch subbing for the injured Dillon.  If not mistaken, Pillman, Sid, and Steve McMichael also quit on the Horsemen in WarGames matches as well, so technically a REAL Horseman would NEVER surrender or sumbit in such a match.  

Note:  There was also one in 1989 at the July 23 Great American Bash PPV with the Roard Warriors, the Midnight Express and Dr. Death vs The Samoan Swat Team and the Freebirds.  And at Wrestle War 92... Sting, Steamboat, Dustin Rhodes, Nikita Koloff and Barry Windham faced the Dangerous Alliance (Steve Austin, Rick Rude, Arn Anderson, Larry Zbyzsko, and Bobby Eaton) in a WarGames match.  Fall Brawl 93:  STing, ShockMaster, Davey Boy Smith, and Dustin Rhodes faced Harlem Heat, Vader and Sid.  Fall Brawl 94:  Dusty and Dustin Rhodes, and the Nasty Boys took on Col. Parker, Terry Funk, Bunkhouse Buck, and Arn Anderson.  And I am leaving any out after this... because once they started involving Hogan's teams they started getting silly with their booking as it was Hogan vs the guys he had already destroyed in the WWF in the late 80s.
Perverted_IconPosted on 02/19/06 at 20:31:58

The Horsemen won one Wargames match at least.  They won the Wargames where Sid almost killed Brian Pillman with a powerbomb.
I'm also sure that they were involved in more than four Wargames matches.  For example, there were at least two Wargames matches in the first GAB series, even though only the one in the link above was readily available.  
I have been hoping that I could somehow find a Wargames comp, like the ladder match comp I bought a few years back, but have been unsuccessful so far.
Perverted_IconPosted on 02/19/06 at 20:33:33

Hogan somehow won a Wargames match with the legdrop and pinfall one year, too.  I'm still trying to figure that one out.   >:(
AnubisPosted on 02/19/06 at 23:11:50

The four that the Horsemen were in were the original, the re-match of the original (with War Machine replaceing Dillon), 1996, and 1997 (the latter two both against the nWo.  I've scoured the War Games archives and found no others, and they lost these four.

The one you are referring to was the 1992 War Games, but unlike the 1996 War Games, I wouldn't exactly call this a Horsemen War Games because Larry Zbyszko was in there with Flair, Sid, and Windham.  No Arn plus Zbyszko kinda made this one a weird alliance more than a Horsemen War Games (because as I said, with Sting and luger in 1996, at least all four were Horsemen at some point, which can't be said for Zbyszko).  Now if it was advertised as the Horsemen, then I take it back, but from everything I've read, it wasn't considered a Horsemen War Games.

Either way, one thing I don't understand is why Vince hasn't taken advantage of this long-standing tradition.  War Games is the collest match in wrestling history and the coolest way for stables to get it on, yet Vince hasn't once tried to use it.  Befuddling.  Imagine War Games at Survivor Series to compliment a return of all the team matches the event used to be known for; it would be pure gold.
Perverted_IconPosted on 02/20/06 at 03:33:24

Didn't Zbyszko replace Arn at the last minute due to injury?  Maybe I'm just foggy on that era, but Sid, Windham, and Flair were Horsemen at that time.
Rick GarrardPosted on 02/20/06 at 05:41:53

I beleive so.  And then Larry and Arn later went on to form a successful tag team.
rey619Posted on 02/20/06 at 11:49:37

On 02/19/06 at 11:11:21, Anubis wrote:MLW was the last promotion to hold War Games, featuring Steve Corino's Horsemen (correct me if I'm wrong).
Not true. CZW held a War Games match at Cage of Death VI in December 2004, with Team Ca$h defeating Blackout.
Rick GarrardPosted on 02/20/06 at 17:43:30

ok.. last promotion with national TV exposure then, as they were on the Sunshine Network.

Isn't CZW one of them straight to video groups... and aren't they the ones that were at one time having weedwacker matches?  I hardly consider THAT wrestling.
Snabbit888Posted on 02/20/06 at 20:44:36

CZW is the reason that barbed wire matches aren't legal in Pennsylvania.
Rick GarrardPosted on 02/20/06 at 21:31:11

Pennsylvania should just make a rule that anyone found cutting either themselves or their oppnents with any type of item including but not limited to razor blades and other sharp objects is no longer allowed to work there. That would stop a lot of the silliness that is/was CZW... and most importantly it would put New Jack back in the welfare office. Since that is basically where the athletic commission is headed there anyway.  Maryland used to have a similar rule.
rey619Posted on 02/20/06 at 23:02:23

CZW is an Indy promotion without tv exposure, and yes, their hardcore style isn't exactly my favorite either, but they did indeed hold a War Games match. Didn't know that didn't count.
Rick GarrardPosted on 02/21/06 at 01:16:26

it counts.  I didn't realize they were still around.
CrplsPosted on 02/21/06 at 02:57:37

On 02/20/06 at 20:44:36, Snabbit888 wrote:CZW is the reason that barbed wire matches aren't legal in Pennsylvania.
No, that would be the pseudo-fascist AC. Light tubes were banned ages ago too. :(

CZW was awesome in 2002 through early 2003. Awful since, though.
rey619Posted on 02/21/06 at 08:15:05

They are still around. They and RoH are doing an Invasion sort of angle, with CZW Champion Chris Hero talking smack about Danielson on the Internet, and then challenging Danielson in a storyline that rumors has it, Zandig and the people in CZW didn't know about either.

Needless to say, Gabe and Zandig jumped at the idea, and had Hero and Necro Butcher "invade" an ROH show. You can say what you want about Necro Butcher, but Chris Hero is a damn fine wrestler, probably way better than CZW deserves.
AnubisPosted on 02/21/06 at 09:30:31

Yeah, I've heard good stuff about Chris Hero (who plays Dawson Polaris in my ROH in my TEW dynasty).  I have to wonder what he's doing in a garbage fed when ROH or TNA could probably use him much better.
rey619Posted on 03/10/06 at 22:21:48

The Steel Cage Warfare match between the Embassy and Generation Next was also a War Games-ish match.. it didn't have two rings, but they started out with two wrestlers, and then another one entered every fight minute.

TNM-wise, it's nothing that says it's two rings, right?
91Posted on 03/26/06 at 23:57:04

Forgive the bump, but here's one - has the face team in a War Games EVER won the coin toss?
Perverted_IconPosted on 04/01/06 at 00:50:44

I don't think so.  The point is that the heels get heat on the face for two minutes and then there is a heroic face coming in to save his partner.  You have to admit, it's been a pretty strong formula.