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HugeRockStar760Posted on 02/17/03 at 18:11:25

My question is not so much about whether it's good to use them or not, because I want to. It's about how to go about running the circuit in a certain time frame.

I want to mix these older/deceased wrestlers in with some of today's wrestlers. But I don't want to post a card with the date of let's say "7/23/99" or something, and have someone say "Hey, Owen Hart died in May of 1999, why are you using him for you meanie!" Or "WHY ARE YOU USING BATISTA! HE WASN'T EVEN IN OVW BACK THEN!" Or "Why are you using Ricky Steamboat? Isn't he retired?" From experience, a few TNM people are real sticklers for these things, and it tends to ruin the whole point of TNM, and that is to have fun.

I've started a new circuit, and have run about maybe 4 shows. Instead of dating the cards, I've numbered them. Ex: Prime Time Wrestling # 2. However, since I write down title histories, I am thinking that this might get confusing down the road. Should I just use dates, or should I continue with just numbering the cards but perhaps including month and day, but also saying like "Year 1"? That way I won't have to deal with some people saying "but" when they see a card with Ricky Steamboat and The Rock on it.

Interested in your opinions. It's really silly that I even care, but I do pay attention to these details for some reason. Thanks.

EDIT:  Of course, I just noticed that Oliver is in 2010, and Hogan is still wrestling...and people seem to like his circuit, so maybe it's not a big deal after all.  
91Posted on 02/17/03 at 19:27:31

On 02/17/03 at 18:11:25, HugeRockStar760 wrote:

EDIT: Of course, I just noticed that Oliver is in 2010, and Hogan is still wrestling...and people seem to like his circuit, so maybe it's not a big deal after all.
Yeah, but Hogan will probably still be around come 2010. ;)

Seriously though, don't worry about it, just use dates and people as you wish. I started from 2001 (good starting date with 01 being year 1 for continuity's sake) and am up to 2005, and I've got retired guys like Arn Anderson, DDP, Dynamite Kid and Tom Zenk and deceased guys like Brian Pillman, Dino Bravo and now Curt Hennig. Mind you, to cover for it, I did make up a ludicrous story about Shane McMahon finding a magic lamp while going on one of his usual early morning beach walks, but I WON'T get into that for everybodies sanity.

But yeah, just go for it, if anyone complains, just tell them it's a fantasy circuit and it's a fantasy scenario.
ggazooPosted on 02/17/03 at 21:21:16

You could always write a disclaimer that says something to the effect of:

"This federation is fantasy only. Dates, timelines and other occurences are entirely ficticious".

But I don't think it really matters. My fed is set in 2003, but how cool would it be to see Andre the Giant debut and feud with Kane?

Don't let the realsim take the fun out of TNM - you'll defeat the purpose.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 02/17/03 at 23:42:38

On 02/17/03 at 19:27:31, 91 wrote:

Seriously though, don't worry about it, just use dates and people as you wish. I started from 2001 (good starting date with 01 being year 1 for continuity's sake) and am up to 2005, and I've got retired guys like Arn Anderson, DDP, Dynamite Kid and Tom Zenk and deceased guys like Brian Pillman, Dino Bravo and now Curt Hennig. Mind you, to cover for it, I did make up a ludicrous story about Shane McMahon finding a magic lamp while going on one of his usual early morning beach walks, but I WON'T get into that for everybodies sanity.

But yeah, just go for it, if anyone complains, just tell them it's a fantasy circuit and it's a fantasy scenario.
I think I remember reading one explanation that had to do with a promoter finding the fountain of youth, thus allowing all the retired wrestlers to come back in their prime.

As for starting in 2001, for some reason I don't ever like starting a circuit in the 2000s.  I don't know why.  I usually start mine in the late 90s somewhere, like 1997.

On , ggazoo

You could always write a disclaimer that says something to the effect of:

"This federation is fantasy only. Dates, timelines and other occurences are entirely ficticious".

But I don't think it really matters. My fed is set in 2003, but how cool would it be to see Andre the Giant debut and feud with Kane?  

Don't let the realsim take the fun out of TNM - you'll defeat the purpose.
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I like that.  I'll use that disclaimer if and when I start posting cards.  And your line about realism taking the fun out of TNM is what I was hinting at.  Glad that there are others that like to use older/deceased wrestlers to mix in with the current wrestlers.  Not to mention being able to resurrect old feuds like Flair/Funk, or Flair/Steamboat.

DarkAndEvilBastardPosted on 02/18/03 at 02:38:43

OR

Just do as I did with LWL...

I ripped off the Legends of Wrestling game by Filsinger Games, and set the fed in the early 2100s...all the wrestlers we know (except Hogan, of course) are long dead (because that old bastard will never die) and a society infatuated with our eras of wrestling have cloned our superstars and pitted them against each other.

Tommy
LillaThrillaPosted on 02/18/03 at 04:08:23

Ah, Tommy's logic finally comes out :)

Seriously though, the best way to avoid wierd explanations, screwing with the space time continium, or annoying people by the date you use is to just not give one.  Just have your first show be #1 and go from there, never giving a date.
TiLoBrownPosted on 02/18/03 at 23:02:45

Watch out Tommy, MTV may be coming to sue you  :). What I do with my feds I just plain old ignore time :)
Tom_ImpPosted on 02/20/03 at 08:58:10

There have only been a few times when I've actually used older retired/deceased wrestlers, but I find myself losing interest in them quickly and have them leave the federation.

There was one plan I had for a couple of them that I never went through with. Back when the Rock and Kurt Angle were feuding in the WWE, I planned on starting a similar feud in my fed. Only difference was they were going to have partners for a feud that would include all 4 wrestlers. On the Rock's side would be the original Rock, Don Muraco and on Angle's side would be another Olympian, Ken Patera. For some reason it just never took off.

One day I may try to get it to work, but only if I feel I can stay interested in Muraco and Patera once that whole feud is over.
mrtc2003Posted on 03/09/03 at 22:09:08

I don't tend to use dead wrestlers myself simply because it feels a little strange to me.  Plus I tend to delete deceased wrestlers from my database in order to save space.  

I had a small problem when I was running a circuit in 1999.  I had Owen Hart as the I-C Champion and then he died in the real world.  I could have carried on using him I suppose but as I've said above it felt a little weird.  So for the first, and thus far only time, I had to kill off one of my wrestlers.  It caused a few problems in terms of booking but I did produce my own special tribute card to Owen similar to the WWF own RAW tribute show.  I saw it as my own way of commerating the life of the real Owen.

Trance7500Posted on 04/06/03 at 20:19:10

On 02/17/03 at 21:21:16, ggazoo wrote:

Don't let the realsim take the fun out of TNM - you'll defeat the purpose.
I had a fantasy circuit a while back and had Kerry and David Von Erich and most people thought it was cool... I had 1 e-mail from a dude telling me they were dead and I should "be more respectful" and not use them if they were dead

People can be just so anal about the most minor of things

There is a quote that perfectly describes people like that and it was on Ferris Buller's Day off "Pardon my French, but he is so uptight that you could stick a lump of coal up his ass, and in 2 weeks, you would have a diamond".
StoneC0ldPosted on 04/13/03 at 08:09:05

The fed I'm starting is starting late 2003 or sometime in 2004, the storyline being that the real WWE has gone bankrupt and ceased operations and I bought the assets and resumed it a year later as WWE (Raw) and WCW (Nitro, formerly Smackdown)...

I have no objections to using deceased wrestlers, even though I don't currently have any on my rosters right now, but I'm seriously considering Owen or Davey Boy sometime in the future...

The concept behind my federation is 100% fantasy, so why can't I use a fantasy roster?  :P