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The EmpressPosted on 08/07/07 at 07:07:49

There were rumors last week that the X Division Title would soon be phased out. With the recent addition of Andrew Martin and Matt Morgan along with reports of signing Rikishi and A-Train, it would appear that the X Division is going by the way side.

Current story lines right now only focus on the heavyweights such as Angle, Cage, Sting, Jarrett, Abyss, Tomko, and Steiner.

At this time, it is believed that Kurt Angle will defeat Samoa Joe in the Winner Takes All Match and Angle will form an alliance with a yet to be named partner and carry the TNA Tag titles while the World Title and X Division Title will then be unified there by phasing out the X Division title. This is similar to what WWE did years ago when for a short time they phased out the IC title by unifying the World Title and the IC Title.
Looks like WWE-Lite is more than a running joke now, having graduated to outright fact.

If they think this is how to compete with WWE, they are sorely mistaken.  I have to say that Vince Russo is even worse than Vince McMahon when it comes to booking, and neither Dixie Carter nor Jeff Jarrett have any business sense whatsoever.

I could run a business and book better in my sleep.
CrplsPosted on 08/07/07 at 07:19:01

The X-Division hasn't been any good in a few years now. The last ULTIMATE X was so embarrassingly bad. (That signing list, sans, Albert/Bernard, is soooooooooo bad, though.)

Hopefully Scott Steiner squashes them all.
pszPosted on 08/07/07 at 14:02:47

TNA was built on the X-Division.

The X-Division is was seperated TNA from WWE (Not the 6-sided ring, IMO)

Now, without the 6-sided ring, you have WCW.


I didn't start watching TNA to relive WCW :-P


Oh well, it's not like I've been able to stomach TNA for the past 4-6 months very well anyway.... Guess it's back to my ECW archive, MCW, and whatnot.


EDIT: Then again, who's to say this isn't SpikeTV (aka TNN) making the decisions FOR them? Maybe SpikeTV is telling TNA "We want WWE stars and no more X-Division, or we'll bury you like we tried to do with ECW years ago".  Who knows.
TiLoBrownPosted on 08/07/07 at 16:43:06

1) When was the World Title unified with the IC belt? I remember Euro and IC....

2)They ditched the 6-sided ring? I may start watching again....
JakePosted on 08/07/07 at 16:54:03

On 08/07/07 at 16:43:06, TiLoBrown wrote:1) When was the World Title unified with the IC belt? I remember Euro and IC....

2)They ditched the 6-sided ring? I may start watching again....
Triple H unified the World Heavyweight and Intercontinental Championships when he beat Kane at No Mercy 2002. This was during the Katie Vick saga.

Nope, TNA still has the six-sided ring.
91Posted on 08/07/07 at 17:32:59

On 08/07/07 at 16:54:03, Jake wrote:
Triple H unified the World Heavyweight and Intercontinental Championships when he beat Kane at No Mercy 2002. This was during the Katie Vick saga.
The fact it coincided with Katie Vick may be why he forgot.
TiLoBrownPosted on 08/07/07 at 17:48:55

Nope, I remember Vick. Odd I'd forget a title history note though...
91Posted on 08/07/07 at 18:56:32

On 08/07/07 at 17:48:55, TiLoBrown wrote:Nope, I remember Vick. Odd I'd forget a title history note though...
I mean that with Vick occuring, you forgot everything else that was going on because you were distracted with stuff like Triple H dry humping a mannequin.
UnrightPosted on 08/07/07 at 19:15:47

On 08/07/07 at 07:07:49, The Empress wrote:If they think this is how to compete with WWE, they are sorely mistaken.  I have to say that Vince Russo is even worse than Vince McMahon when it comes to booking, and neither Dixie Carter nor Jeff Jarrett have any business sense whatsoever.
I told you so.  ;D

TiLoBrownPosted on 08/07/07 at 20:12:18

On 08/07/07 at 18:56:32, 91 wrote:

I mean that with Vick occuring, you forgot everything else that was going on because you were distracted with stuff like Triple H dry humping a mannequin.
Nope, thought that was pretty damned funny
JakePosted on 08/07/07 at 20:46:58

On 08/07/07 at 20:12:18, TiLoBrown wrote:Nope, thought that was pretty damned funny
;D

FINALLY! Someone on here with a sense of humor!

I still want to find that video. Maybe it's finally up on YouTube?
pszPosted on 08/08/07 at 00:53:39

What I meant to say was "TNA without a 6-sided is becoming nothing more than WCW".

Badly worded previously, probably not well done now ;->
JakePosted on 08/09/07 at 05:39:38

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xH7vNQm9W94

YESSSSSS!!!

Triple H's reaction is what sealed the deal for me. ;D
Memphis_VicePosted on 08/10/07 at 01:42:42

You'd think with Dutch Mantell and Jim Cornette there, they'd have decent booking. But apparently Dutch is "low man on the totem pole" and Cornette isn't even ON the pole.

Makes about as much sense as having Paul Heyman on the roster, but instead of putting him in Creative, you use him to try to get Heidenreich over...

Then again, take anything I say with a grain of salt. For all I know TNA is booked by Shark Boy, Mr. T, and Kim Basinger.
Critic of the DawnPosted on 08/10/07 at 04:25:53

On 08/10/07 at 01:42:42, Memphis_Vice wrote:For all I know TNA is booked by Shark Boy, Mr. T, and Kim Basinger.
Holy shit...

I need to give TNA another chance...

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
pszPosted on 08/10/07 at 04:32:41

After watching tonight's TNA (amazing, I sat through a whole ep), I can honestly say Shark Boy is NOT on the booking team. He's a bit more entertaining (Insert Disney lawsuit comment here)

Vince Russo's "Divorce The Wrestler" angle (no pun intended) is in full swing, though. At least Joe and Angle can pull it off. Loved Nash. (Never thought I'd say that more than once in a three year span...)

BTW, Raven's blonde streak had me triple-taking to make sure he wasn't getting Homer Simpson Bald. Looked bad.

I really wish TNA and WWE would use stronger garbage can lids, though... I've seen tin foil that could take a hit harder. (Having been hit with a REAL METAL garbage can lid, I can honestly say that they don't fold that easy :-P)

Can't say that many of the PPV matches really WOW me... Angle/Joe will be good, just cuz, and Dudl-er, Team 3D v Steiners should be good, if for no other reason than it's a classic "Who's the best of all time" match.

Everything else == Yawn.
The EmpressPosted on 08/10/07 at 04:45:48

On 08/10/07 at 04:32:41, psz wrote:Everything else == Barf.
Fixed.
CrplsPosted on 08/10/07 at 15:08:48

Loved Nash. (Never thought I'd say that more than once in a three year span...)
Dude. Nash is the best thing in TNA by far, which is sad because he doesn't even wrestle.

The only person who comes remotely close for me is Scott Steiner.

(I feel the need to point out that TNA sucks and is mostly good for LOLs, but those two are worth tuning in for. Although I could do without Nash in a speedo.)


Crpls -- Luvz the Ricans for saving Steiner's life!!!
pszPosted on 08/11/07 at 00:32:27

Jeez.... Ten years ago, would you EVER say a promotion's *BEST GUYS* were Nash and Scott Steiner???
JakePosted on 08/11/07 at 00:47:32

10 years ago I'd have said:

"You know wrestling's fake, right?"
CrplsPosted on 08/11/07 at 03:42:07

Jeez.... Ten years ago, would you EVER say a promotion's *BEST GUYS* were Nash and Scott Steiner
To be fair, both were in WCW which was full of talent both in terms of characters and wrestling, so probably not. Then again, Steiner was fairly awesome until coming back to WCW after the WWE run. If he hadn't rejected breaking away from Rick, I think he probably would've been considered one of the top few guys in WCW in the early to mid 90s. (Assuming his push didn't bomb--but the Steiners were already over, so I think he was safe.)
Tommy BrownellPosted on 08/29/07 at 00:24:13

On 08/11/07 at 03:42:07, Crpls wrote:

To be fair, both were in WCW which was full of talent both in terms of characters and wrestling, so probably not. Then again, Steiner was fairly awesome until coming back to WCW after the WWE run. If he hadn't rejected breaking away from Rick, I think he probably would've been considered one of the top few guys in WCW in the early to mid 90s. (Assuming his push didn't bomb--but the Steiners were already over, so I think he was safe.)
That was actually the other way around...Bill Watts wanted Scott Steiner gone, and Rick Steiner pushed to the moon, but Rick wouldn't break ties with Scott.
91Posted on 08/29/07 at 00:34:38

On 08/29/07 at 00:24:13, Tommy Brownell wrote:

That was actually the other way around...Bill Watts wanted Scott Steiner gone, and Rick Steiner pushed to the moon, but Rick wouldn't break ties with Scott.
... no, I'm pretty sure the other guy was right.
CrplsPosted on 08/29/07 at 00:35:41

Hmm. That's the first time I've ever heard that version of the story.

I've always heard it as Flair wanting to push Scott and de-emphasize Rick. Nothing to do with Watts.
Tommy BrownellPosted on 08/29/07 at 00:44:50

When The Steiners left WCW it was while Watts was in control, after Flair left...circa '92, after they lost the feud with Gordy & Williams.  Bill Watts and Scott Steiner apparently HATED each other, but Watts loved Rick Steiner to death.

I'm not saying your version of things is wrong, just saying that two different bookers probably tried to break The Steiners up, and each wanted to push a different one.
CrplsPosted on 08/29/07 at 00:47:46

I'm sure Flair and Watts weren't the only two over the years until it actually happened that wanted to do it.
Tommy BrownellPosted on 08/29/07 at 00:51:55

Nah...everyone else was smart enough to realize that Rick and Scott were lightyears better as a tag team.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 08/29/07 at 00:58:48

I would assume Flair would be biased against Rick Steiner since apparently Dusty Rhodes wanted to have Rick Steiner defeat him for the World Title in Jim Crockett Promotions.
91Posted on 08/29/07 at 18:16:52

The one where they wanted to push Scott Steiner is the famous one. Back in 1991, this'd be before Flair left, they decided they wanted to push Scott Steiner big as a singles guy. I guess this would be Jim Herd booking at the time - Tommy, you can't honestly he was smart enough to realise ANYTHING.

Anyway, they wanted Scott to get the big push and be the guy to take the torch from Flair who, as most people know, was very picky in who he did this with - asides from Sting, nobody had ever really gotten a decent run by this point. They'd wanted Luger several times in the past but Flair had always nixed him, they had also threatened the famous "Rick Steiner in five minutes" (which only served to get Dusty removed as booker, so nobody ever took that one seriously) which TNMMC made reference to.

But for once, all the bookers were in agreement that Scott Steiner would be the man to take the gold from Flair and be the future star for the company and furthermore, even Flair was in total agreement over this. The only guy who wasn't was Scott himself who wanted to stay tagging with Rick (I gather that Rick was all for encouraging his brother to go for it as well). In any case, Scott got his singles push years later anyway and with nobody else to go for, Herd then suggested Luger again and of course this all lead to Flair leaving the company.

Funny how things work out.

As far as the Rick/Watts thing goes, Scott and Watts definitely didn't get on, a lot of it to do with Scott being very angry over Erik Watts getting such a big push. Rick was certainly favoured and unlike Scott was offered a contract when they were both coming up to expiry and he probably would have gotten a reasonable push but I've never heard anything about Rick getting a world title program. I HAVE heard something about him being lowballed too but I don't know how true that is.
Evil HomerPosted on 08/29/07 at 18:30:05

Actually Samoa Joe used to be pretty good too. TNA has a lot of young talent, they just don't know how to use it. But if the rumours are true Joe wants out of TNA.
rebelinsPosted on 08/29/07 at 19:20:45

On 08/29/07 at 18:30:05, Evil Homer wrote:Actually Samoa Joe used to be pretty good too. TNA has a lot of young talent, they just don't know how to use it. But if the rumours are true Joe wants out of TNA.
I hope you aren't serious with "used to be good".  Joe hasn't gotten any less "good" in the ring, he's just been fed shitty angles and finishes.
Evil HomerPosted on 08/29/07 at 20:01:48

On 08/29/07 at 19:20:45, rebelins wrote:

I hope you aren't serious with "used to be good". Joe hasn't gotten any less "good" in the ring, he's just been fed shitty angles and finishes.
Good point! That's what I actually meant!