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The Empress | Posted on 08/14/07 at 06:38:39 From Gerweck: Alan Wojcik, who has been writing detailed recaps of TNA's PPVs and Impact television tapings for months, has been told he could no longer bring his laptop to TNA events at Universal studios. If anyone is attending the Impact taping this week in Orlando, and can provide us a report or even text message us results, do e-mail me.Are they just trying to alienate everyone? |
Rick Garrard | Posted on 08/14/07 at 07:15:56 Total Nonstop Asshats~! |
Crpls | Posted on 08/14/07 at 07:36:02 This is the best thing to happen to the recap industry ever imo. Wojcik is the biggest retard ever. Like, I would want to talk to you (Anubis) and The TNM Peoples' Champ nonstop before I would ever want to interact with that douche. This is the same dude who was gonna kill himself because some guys made fun of him on a message board. http://alanwojcik.livejournal.com/114759.html |
The Empress | Posted on 08/14/07 at 09:01:32 Thing is, this isn't just about one person. Why would it be a good thing? Despite this guy being a douchebag and all. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/14/07 at 09:37:13 All they did is say the dude can't bring his laptop to shows. Who the hell cares? 99% of people who go to TNA shows aren't even wrestling fans, they're just random people who happen to be in the park when TNA is doing tapings. The actual wrestling fans rarely get in. I doubt the 1.00 rating worth of fans who actually watch care about some douche internet dude being alienated. If one hasn't been turned off to TNA by TNA being TNA, then they could probably piss on that person's Grandma's grave and they would will still watch. |
psz | Posted on 08/14/07 at 14:13:33 I see Empress' point, though. TNA isn't quite mainstream, so the more exposure the better. By preventing someone (douchebag or not) from recapping, and preventing photographers from taking pictures (AT A WRESTLING SHOW!?), you tend to leave what few wrestling fans you have with a bad taste. Think back 12 years: You really think ECW would have told people "No cameras"? Hell no, they called it Fan Cam :-P THey LIVED off of internet recaps. They used, and abused, the internet to squeeze every dime out of every fan they could. (CyberSlam!) They used whatever non-pay resources they could to turn a buck. They ended up doing a damn sight better than all the Indies, and I'd even say they did better than TNA has thus far (No solid numbers, but I would be interested to see ECW on TNNs ratings vs TNA on Spike's ratings) |
Crpls | Posted on 08/14/07 at 17:38:11 They were almost basically the same, with TNA's average around 1.0 so slightly better. http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/ecw/ecwtnn.htm Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying TNA isn't the most incompetently run pro-wrestling organization around, I just don't think banning fucking Alan Wojcik is going to alienate anyone (except him.) And he's not a paying customer so who cares. Remember that ECW never made any money and Paul owed over at least one million to various people. It would've died years before it did without Vince subsidizing it at times. |
psz | Posted on 08/15/07 at 01:03:04 Not bad, especially when you consider the amount of advertising ECW got compared to what TNA gets on the same network ;-> Paul E. was partially right about losing the TV deal == ECW InstaDeath. However, he still should have gotten someone better with money to handle the money. He's great as a booker, but as a financier.... Well... |
The Empress | Posted on 08/18/07 at 01:00:49 Alan Wojcik's Statement Regarding Laptop Banishment From TNA Wrestling Last night was the first time in nearly 5 years I didn't watch TNA Wrestling programming. It was the weirdest thing to look at the DVR and not record Impact. According to some of the websites my work appears on, people emailed asking why I will no longer be covering TNA Wrestling events at Universal Studios. Was it politics, did I do something to anger the office, did I get into a fight with someone on Universal property? I was going to remain silent but after some soul searching I decided to write this item up for people to read.I don't know where some people get the idea that he's a retard or a douche. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/18/07 at 01:09:02 The "future endeavors" comment is always my favorite part of Wojcik posts. If you ever read or dealt with him regularly on a message board, you'd understand why so many people are agitated by or dislike him. FWIW, I think banning his laptop is dumb and pointless, but I also don't really care. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/20/07 at 22:41:59 Well you're about the only one standing against him. Everyone else is standing with him. That includes me, by the way, because TNA is damn well wrong on this. Oh, and Bob Magee from PWBTS is standing with him as well. I sure hope the boycott gets somewhere. The bulk of TNA's fanbase comes from the IWC, so unlike WWE, they can't afford to ignore them. TNA is being so monumentally stupid that I really have no idea what words would accurately portray that stupidity. For one, Vince Russo has got to go. For two, TNA needs to realize that these WWE rejects and has-beens will not draw even half as well as their home-grown talent. Tomko and Andrew Martin (and Pacman) don't even have a fraction of the drawing power of Samoa Joe and AJ Styles. There are exceptions, of course, such as Kurt Angle and Sting and even Kevin Nash as long as he stays out of the ring, but for the most part, these has-beens are a cancer to the company that need to be cut out with the utmost of haste. For three, TNA needs to start treating their fans with respect again. If these things don't happen, TNA will fold sooner rather than later. Their first big mistake was bringing in Russo and the has-beens, the second big mistake was allowing the relationships with ROH and the NWA to go south. They can't afford a third big mistake. If only I had a connection within TNA, this would be the time to get a position as a real booker, taking Russo's job if TNA ever gets smart. Still, without a resume backing me up . . . I mean, come on, how do you get experience in this particular job unless someone gives you the first shot? It's ridiculous. EDIT: Fixed the link. |
91 | Posted on 08/20/07 at 23:27:24 Be fair, Tomko might not be Mr Drawing Power but he's done OK for himself, they've made him fairly interesting (partially by whom he's associated with, but even so...) and though having him go over Joe was... a bizzare move to say the least, I wouldn't begrudge him his spot on the roster. I might have when they'd announced they'd signed him, but he's done alright. And Crpls wasn't against Wojcik, he even said he thought the ban was stupid, he's just saying he's not very fond of the guy personally since he's evidently had some form of contact with him on some message board in the past, which is fair enough. |
Unright | Posted on 08/20/07 at 23:29:22 Was Russo booking WCW when they started confiscating pro-WWE/anti-WCW signs? |
The Empress | Posted on 08/20/07 at 23:40:59 Not sure. Russo joined in I think 1998 or 1999 if I recall correctly. One thing I do know is that I could turn TNA around to where people will be happy with it again in a single bloody Impact. It would be even easier if I were allowed a special two-hour edition of Impact. Either way, Russo has done tremendous damage, and while I am not all too sure that TNA could recover the prestige lost, it can at least get its original fanbase back easily. Thing about ratings I have figured out is that it is all about the money. Think about it. The only promotions to ever do extremely well on television were Ted Turner's WCW and the WWF, during the Monday Night Wars. It is pretty much because they had the money. That money can be dumped into promoting the product and getting better deals with networks and such, because money talks. Thing is, you do have to back it up, and the product is what keeps the fans coming. If TNA could make the IWC happy again and then get Panda Energy to drop about $20-40 million into promoting the product and getting a better deal on television, they could actually have a chance of competing with WWE. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/21/07 at 00:31:22Be fair, Tomko might not be Mr Drawing Power but he's done OK for himself, they've made him fairly interesting (partially by whom he's associated with, but even so...) and though having him go over Joe was... a bizzare move to say the least, I wouldn't begrudge him his spot on the roster. I might have when they'd announced they'd signed him, but he's done alright.Tomko is good. One of the few dudes on the TNA roster who deserves to be pushed based on work ethic. He's still not a super in-ring worker, but I enjoyed his NJPW work and he actually worked hard to get better after getting dumped by the E. Not really a main eventer, but he'll serve well in the midcard, or as a bodyguard type for a main eventer. |
psz | Posted on 08/21/07 at 00:33:30 My biggest gripe with Tomko is and was always that he just.... Bored me. I've never hated his work, he just never really interested me. Then again, that could just be due to how WWE used him. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/21/07 at 00:42:16 Yeah, he lacks any sense of charisma in general. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/21/07 at 01:01:02 Thing is, compared to a vast majority of the TNA roster, he stinks. The only role I would give him is that of bodyguard, non-wrestling capacity. TNA has way too many people better than him to push him as anything. |
psz | Posted on 08/21/07 at 01:30:57 He does the "Bodyguard Who Occasionally Tags" bit well... Then again, so did Kevin Nash, and he ended up champ. Maybe he just needs the right angle? |
The Empress | Posted on 08/21/07 at 02:40:00On 08/21/07 at 01:30:57, psz wrote:He does the "Bodyguard Who Occasionally Tags" bit well...Kevin Nash has a natural charisma. Tomko simply isn't capable of doing anything more than the "bodyguard who occasionally tags" unless he finds a truckload of talent at some point. Unlikely methinks. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/21/07 at 02:42:47 Nash had all the charisma in the world just waiting to get out. I don't see that from him, unfortunately. :) The "vast majority" of the roster is definitely not better than him. More interesting and charismatic... probably. Though his matches in TNA aren't very good... then again, only a handful of guys in TNA know how to structure a match, anyway. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/21/07 at 03:15:08 Oh come on let's get serious. I'm gonna go look at the TNA roster and list every single guy there that can work a better match than Tomko, and most of them would have more charisma as well! Anyway, here is the list, with those who can work very much better than Tomko marked with an "!": Abyss AJ Styles ( ! ) Alex Shelley ( ! ) Black Reign Brother Devon Brother Ray Chris Harris Christian Cage Eric Young Fallen Angel Havok Homicide ( ! ) James Storm Jay Lethal ( ! ) Jeff Jarrett Kaz Kurt Angle Petey Williams ( ! ) Prime Time Raven Rhino Rick Steiner Robert Roode Ron Killings Samoa Joe ( ! ) Scott Steiner Senshi ( ! ) Shark Boy Sting ( ! ) Even still, those not mentioned can still work a match just as well as Tomko can. |
Rick Garrard | Posted on 08/21/07 at 03:28:22 but how many of them are 1/2 of the Japanese tag team champions with Giant Prince Albert A-Train Bernard? Hmmm? Thought so. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/21/07 at 04:34:39 What's that got to do with anything? Being a champion over there doesn't automatically make him a talent. |
Unright | Posted on 08/21/07 at 05:32:05 He was being booked better in Japan. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/21/07 at 05:42:45 Hmmm . . . Heh, I dunno, putting gold on him when there are so many better wrestlers doesn't sound like "better booking" to me to be quite honest. Tomko is an uncharismatic unathletic lug. Is it just me, or are bookers in Japan making more and more mistakes lately? Just seems to be a trend. |
psz | Posted on 08/21/07 at 14:09:54 Have you actually WATCHED his stuff from Japan? Just cuz he's, as you said, an uncharismatic lug in WWE/TNA doesn't mean he's not out doing a bang up job in Japan. Ask half the old WCW locker room about being pushed in Japan vs pushes from WCW/WWF ;-> |
Memphis_Vice | Posted on 08/21/07 at 14:45:53 Funny enough, I've still never seen a Tomko match. Couldn't pick the guy out of a lineup if my life depended on it. |
91 | Posted on 08/21/07 at 20:54:25 *Ahem* It's not Jay Lethal anymore. Besides, how can everyone not love Tomko after that one classic Royal Rumble moment? |
Justin | Posted on 08/21/07 at 21:19:35Besides, how can everyone not love Tomko after that one classic Royal Rumble moment?Which was what? |
Jake | Posted on 08/21/07 at 21:31:55On 08/21/07 at 21:19:35, Justin wrote:Christian: Tomko, give me a beat. Tomko: No. |
91 | Posted on 08/21/07 at 21:48:27 Thankyou. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/22/07 at 02:45:36 And for that moment, him being charisma-less was perfect. :) Have you actually WATCHED his stuff from Japan? Just cuz he's, as you said, an uncharismatic lug in WWE/TNA doesn't mean he's not out doing a bang up job in Japan.Well, he's still as uncharismatic as ever in NJPW. He connects with the crowd on the basis of being a tall foreign dude, but that's about it--except that's enough. He probably won't ever get a big singles push similar to Bernard, but they work well as a team, are over and put on good matches for the most part. The lady missed my entire point about structuring a match vs having talent, but it's funny to see someone claim Petey Williams is good, regardless. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/22/07 at 03:37:20On 08/22/07 at 02:45:36, Crpls wrote:The lady missed my entire point about structuring a match vs having talent,They go hand in hand. All the people I mentioned have more talent and can "structure a match" far better than Tomko. Easily. No doubt whatsoever. On 08/22/07 at 02:45:36, Crpls wrote:but it's funny to see someone claim Petey Williams is good, regardless.What's so funny? It's true. Petey Williams is a very good wrestler. He can structure a match when given a chance (i.e. not a throwaway X-Division six-man tag), has a lot of charisma, is great at working the crowd, is good in the air and on the mat both, and has one of the collest damn finishers is the business. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/22/07 at 04:10:07 Oh jesus christ you're a hopeless tool. They do not go hand-in-hand. You can understand how to do something (i.e. structure a match) and not be very good at it. Jeff Jarrett knows more about wrestling matches than everyone on TNA roster combined with the exceptions of Sting and Scott Steiner, but he's not actively a great wrestler. If he would stop booking/okaying Russo ideas/whatever his actual job is now and become what amounts to an agent for the company, at worst, the main event scene would become watchable. |
Crpls | Posted on 08/22/07 at 04:13:19 Though, I am probably being a bit unfair to most TNA guys because I don't know how much freedom they're given in the ring. The matches could be largely planned out which would make it more the fault of whoever is doing that. |
Pulsar | Posted on 08/22/07 at 05:03:59 I think you missed a couple. You want in-ring psychology, one of the best is Raven. He can be incredibly technical. I think your problem Anubis is you're looking at the styles of the wrestlers vs. their ability. Abyss does a damn good job as a big man, similar to Kane. Chris Daniels is another very crisp story-teller in and out of the ring. I noticed your list of "better then Tomko" is pretty much X-Division + Sting. Team 3D and The Steiners STILL are among the top tag team wrestlers in the world, they've been doing it since the beginning of time. To me, it seems your idea of great wrestling is high-spots and transitional crap, which is pretty much what your list is capable of. I think you need to learn to respect the other styles of wrestling that are out there, and not completely bias your opinion on your personal likes. |
The Empress | Posted on 08/22/07 at 05:22:43 Um, Pulsar, Team 3-D, Abyss, and The Steiner Brothers are all on the list, as are Rhino, Jeff Jarrett, and Kurt Angle. I intentionally left the spot monkeys (Chris Sabin and Sonjay Dutt in particular) off the list because I don't think an overdose of monkey action and transitions is good wrestling. Did you even read the list? You seem to have missed nearly half the names I put on it! So I think an apology is in order. Oh, and Crpls, just the same, you can't be good at wrestling and not know how to structure a match, which was my point despite your silly attempts to distort what I said. |
91 | Posted on 08/22/07 at 18:40:19 I don't think an overdose of monkey action and LACK OF transitions is good wrestling. Fixed. That said, I've not seen much Dutt so I can't judge, but I think Chris Sabin is very good. Oh, and Crpls, just the same, you can't be good at wrestling and not know how to structure a match True, though there are a few who can get away with it. |
Tommy Brownell | Posted on 08/29/07 at 00:10:12 I watched Sonjay Dutt vs Brent Albright here in Oklahoma at an indy show I was working last year, and it was the best Dutt match I had ever seen. Literally light years beyond his TNA work...but then, it was also more than 2 minutes and had more than just flippy stuff going on. |