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TNA rumored to have signed Test

JDragonPosted on 07/30/07 at 19:47:10

TNA supposedly has signed Test to a contract.

If you remember, Test was fired for non-compliance with the WWE Wellness Programme. It's not the first time TNA has snatched a talent from WWE like that (remember Angle). I believe that TNA and WWE should agree on a common policy on doping tests and illegal substances. The way it is right now, WWE wrestlers can take anything they want knowing the light WWE screenings most likely won't catch them - and if they do, they should be able to sign a lucrative deal with TNA. That completely undermines WWE's aspirations to better its image by reducing substance (especially, but not only, steroid) abuse.

However, I don't deem such an agreement likely, which is sad. I consider doping a huge problem for sports in general (track and field, swimming, cycling, baseball, etc...) , but that doesn't belong here. However, premature deaths by wrestlers (excluding the recent case of Him-who-must-not-be-named) which are related to substance abuse or its longtime effects need to be stopped, and TNA is not doing anything in that direction.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 07/30/07 at 19:56:30

Professional wrestling's drug testing is going to be regulated by the federal government. There is no doubt about that.
JDragonPosted on 07/30/07 at 20:00:41

I'm afraid it has to, as the wrestling companies themselves are either unwilling (TNA) or unable (WWE) to put stricter measures into force.
Rick GarrardPosted on 07/31/07 at 01:38:11

TNA I got two words for ya that explain the roiders best....

Hector Garza!


He got busted trying to bring roids into the US and thusly killed his own deal with TNA.
The EmpressPosted on 07/31/07 at 06:25:12

Ugh, TNA is willing to pick up any worthless piece of trash now, eh?  I hereby declare TNA dead.  Time of death: 11:21 PM Central on July 30 2007.

Now as for steroids, I honestly do not think steroids are that big a problem.  The side-effects are way exaggerated due to media incompetence and hysteria, and that has only gotten worse since the situation with Benoit despite the fact that steroids had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in any way.

No, the real problem, I think, is the abuse of pain killers.  Narcotics, ya?  Aside from heart damage from repeated overdosing, steroids do minimal damage compared to abuse of narcotics.  Better still, HGH has very few, if any, side effects and are not even worth watching out for realistically.

I think what needs to happen is complete government regulation of professional wrestling, a union for the workers, and a single base for the "sport" that treats each promotion as a "team" so to speak.
CrplsPosted on 08/03/07 at 06:56:04

The government needs to stay out of profession wrestling, for the most part.

Also, did they fire Hoyt? Because if not, they already have what amounts to Test...
JDragonPosted on 08/03/07 at 13:23:14

Lance Storm comments: http://www.stormwrestling.com/073007.html
The EmpressPosted on 08/04/07 at 00:32:44

On 08/03/07 at 06:56:04, Crpls wrote:The government needs to stay out of profession wrestling, for the most part.
Actually, the government seriously needs to crack down and regulate it all.  Wrestling refuses to regulate itself, so someone else has to do it for them.  They had their chance.
pszPosted on 08/04/07 at 01:06:48

The Gov't *SHOULDN'T* have to get involved...

That doesn't mean the biz isn't opening the door wide open for them to NEED to get involved...
mdale2kPosted on 08/04/07 at 02:00:49

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Steriods an illegal drug?  

If someone tests positive shouldnt they be charged
pszPosted on 08/04/07 at 02:03:36

Depends on the steroid.

Estrogen is a steroid prescribed to women for varoius reasons.

Cholesterol is a steroid that we all hate ;->

Cortisone is used to help repair damages from infections.

etc

etc

etc

In the U.S., anabolic steroids are currently listed as Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.
These are the types of steroids used in sports and wrestling, both for legitimate medical reasons as well as not-so-legitimate reasons.

Anabolic steroids are legitimately used for muscle and tissue repair, and occasionally muscle (re)growth in rare cases of atrophy.

Unfortunately, there are many doctors who will give out prescriptions for the right amount of money, whether there is a medical *NEED* or not.


So, it's not very easy to prosecute a person for taking the steroid *IF* they can prove a real doctor gave them a prescription.

However, the Gov't and local law enforcement has realised that they CAN go after the doctors for giving phoney prescriptions to people easier than going after the actual users (and thus cause the supply chain to "dry up" due to arrests and the fear of arrests)
The EmpressPosted on 08/04/07 at 23:28:50

That and seven years in prison for using steroids is just a little bit excessive.  Heh.

I agree that the government shouldn't have to get involved, and that the door has been blown open for them to need to get involved.

Still, just like I think they should with marijuana, I think steroids should just be regulated, not illegal.  The negative effects of steroids are grossly exaggerated.  I'd bet that most wrestling-related deaths are more due to painkiller abuse than steroid abuse.
AllPowerfulGARTHPosted on 08/06/07 at 12:56:39

All this talk about steroids and government regulation is getting us away from the important topic, which is that Paragon of Charisma/Workrate Test has been signed by TNA. Except now he's "The Punisher," here to punish all the fans who hate him by totally rocking.

One of these days, Test is actually going to impress someone other than me. You'll see. You'll all see.
pszPosted on 08/06/07 at 14:05:51

He started to impress me in ECW on a couple of occasions.

Then Heyman was ousted, and Test went back to being Test, and his connect-the-backne game ended up more fun than his matches. (I made the Batman logo!)
UnrightPosted on 08/06/07 at 15:21:33

I've always liked Test in the same way I've liked Albert. They're really competent big men who just need a little direction with their character. Test has always done good when he's had the right manager or the right booker.

Not that he'll have either in TNA.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 08/06/07 at 17:45:59

On 08/04/07 at 23:28:50, The Empress wrote:That and seven years in prison for using steroids is just a little bit excessive. Heh.

I agree that the government shouldn't have to get involved, and that the door has been blown open for them to need to get involved.

Still, just like I think they should with marijuana, I think steroids should just be regulated, not illegal. The negative effects of steroids are grossly exaggerated. I'd bet that most wrestling-related deaths are more due to painkiller abuse than steroid abuse.
You probably need to reference more research that has been done on the long term effects of marijuana use before making such a naive statement.
The EmpressPosted on 08/06/07 at 22:15:18

On 08/06/07 at 17:45:59, The TNM Members Champ wrote:

You probably need to reference more research that has been done on the long term effects of marijuana use before making such a naive statement.
I think you should actually, since you clearly don't realize that marijuana has fewer negative effects than steroids, painkiller abuse, or even (especially) cigarettes.  Simply put, it makes no sense for marijuana to be illegal when cigarettes are considered to be okay.
CrplsPosted on 08/06/07 at 22:25:51

Also less than alcohol, but that doesn't mean that it's not dangerous if used consistently over many years.

And yes, of course it's stupid that it's illegal while tobacco and cigarettes aren't. Nobody ever said our laws made sense.

But tobacco has always provided money for people that are liked by those in power (and they share the wealth)--hemp money never has.

Plus, politicians smoke and drink.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 08/06/07 at 22:35:16

Tobacco doesn't impair your reasoning and mental capacity. Marijuana does and it makes it a much more dangerous substance to others.

I even read a study about the effects of marijuana on the lungs and that it can be even more dangerous than cigarette smoking. In addition, the effects to your brain and the psychosomatic effects have yet to be fully investigated.

Just because tobacco is harmful to your health doesn't mean marijuana should be made legal. Too much chocolate and saturated fatty foods are bad for your health too. Should those be made illegal?
CrplsPosted on 08/06/07 at 22:39:41

lolololol

potheads are about as dangerous as 2 year old girls.

Too much chocolate and saturated fatty foods are bad for your health too. Should those be made illegal?
Well, no, but then nobody is asking for more things to be illegal.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 08/06/07 at 23:12:31

Are you telling me someone in a pot induced stupor is safe behind the wheel? Just wondering.

Marijuana isn't going to become legal. There is no reason for it to be. Considering the fact it is a gateway drug, I hope it stays that way. Unless you're fine and dandy with more people being addicted to harder drugs like cocaine.
CrplsPosted on 08/06/07 at 23:18:11

Are you telling me someone in a pot induced stupor is safe behind the wheel? Just wondering.
What kind of potheads do you know? Most potheads get stoned in or around their house, or at public parks and generally aren't driving. lololol, of course I don't think they're safe, but if that's a reason for it to be illegal, again, alcohol is RIGHT THERE.

Marijuana isn't going to become legal. There is no reason for it to be. Considering the fact it is a gateway drug, I hope it stays that way. Unless you're fine and dandy with more people being addicted to harder drugs like cocaine.
lololol gateway drug.  were you one of those kids who thought the DARE program was hella cool? Because you seem like a hella fag for that. Keep up the talking points, though!
CrplsPosted on 08/06/07 at 23:19:38

To sort of connect the two topics: It'd take cocaine to make me like Test at this point. Unlike Albert, he didn't recover from post-T&A.
Memphis_VicePosted on 08/07/07 at 01:56:06

On 08/06/07 at 23:12:31, The TNM Members Champ wrote:
Marijuana isn't going to become legal. There is no reason for it to be. Considering the fact it is a gateway drug, I hope it stays that way.
Yeah, a gateway to frisbee, hacky-sack, and heavy metal.
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 08/07/07 at 02:24:07

You're advocating making marijuana legal for everyone. You're basing your opinion on potheads you know. That's a small sample. You want to make government policy based on a sampling of some unemployed losers who will never amount to anything? Oh, you'd be a perfect intern for the DNC.

I'm wondering how you can say marijuana is not a gateway drug? Care to enlighten me on this?

What exactly is the benefit of making marijuana legal?

lololol gateway drug.  were you one of those kids who thought the DARE program was hella cool? Because you seem like a hella fag for that. Keep up the talking points, though!
No, I don't need a school program to know facts that are common sense.

So I suppose you can rationalize that a cocaine user jumps straight into the addiction then? Nothing leads them into it?

As far as your insult is concerned, got to love liberals like yourself who try act like they are ultra tolerant yet they always seem to be the most intolerant.  But you know, I find it amusing that you'd call me a nerd and that other name yet you're into puro. Pot. Kettle. Black.
pszPosted on 08/07/07 at 02:58:47

Pot, unlike most narcotics and other illegal substances, is not chemically addictive (mental is another story, and is pretty much user to user).

Pot impairs driving in a way similar to (but not identical to) alchohol. The effects can be shorter or longer depending on the 'blend" and the amount smoked.

As of the last time I checked (circa 2002) there was no Field Sobriety Test for Pot (just impaired capacity and alchohol via breath-tests), which is one reason legalised pot would be hard to pass (difficult to prove in a driving situation)

Benifits of legalised marijuana:
Less chance of "cut" pot being sold, thus reducing the gateway affect (speed is often cut with pot, and then sold to users)

Taxable ala Cigarettes, which would theoretically (but most likely NEVER happen) reduce taxes in other areas.

Medical use (which there are many) would be considerably easier than it currently is (see State of California vs Federal DEA)

Problems:
Increased driving/machinery operation issues (at least for until pot "spot tests" could be implemented, seeing as urine and pot tests can only show if it's been used in the past x weeks, and NOT if it's currently affecting the system)

Even EASIER for kids to get it (I worked in a convenience store, so I know what <18's will do for cigarettes and what <21's will do for alchohol... Trust me, most workers aren't nearly as honest as I was :-P)

Growing of pot is much easier than tobaco, and as it stands now, you have to jump through hoops to grow tobaco legally... Illegal pot GROWTH (for use or sale) would be a royal pain to handle.... Even worse than now, if the proposed "allowed 1 plant" or whatever idea was passed.

Employers and insurance would have a fucking nightmare trying to keep track of and manage all the new laws and methods for hiring, insuring, firing, etc.


In any case, unless and until it could be monitored and regulated the same way as alchohol, it would not be a good idea.

Then again, I think tobaco and a number of alchoholic beverages should be banned or at least handled the same as pot :-P


If it's the study I'm thinking of (comparing cancer causing agents of pot to tobacco), then it should be noted that the study compared *UNFILTERED* hand-rolled joints (no filter, no pipe, no bong, etc) to filtered cigarettes. The point was taken, but it should have been a more authentic study (both filtered or both unfiltered).
The EmpressPosted on 08/07/07 at 04:38:56

You see I'm a bit conflicted about it.  I'm all for freedom, but I also despise tobacco in every way.  Now I'm certain public smoking of any sort should be banned, because second hand smoke is even more dangerous than actually smoking and non-smokers should never have to put up with smokers' bad habits.

A complete ban?  I just don't know.  I would actually lean toward legalizing marijuana before banning tobacco, and just make sure laws are exanded to cover any impaired driving.  Drinking and driving is illegal, so getting stoned and driving would be as well.

As for alcohol, really, it's only bad if abused.  One drink a day won't adversely affect your health, while one cigarette a day is way more than just likely to cause huge problems down the road.  Of course alcohol, unlike marijuana, can potentially be chemically addictive (depending on type and amount), and so it's harder not to abuse (much like painkillers).  So yeah, I'm conflicted.  Either way, my final word would be that tobacco and marijuana should fall under identical legal classification.  Alcohol is unrelated to either and works differently than both, and thus needs separate legal considerations.
UnrightPosted on 08/07/07 at 19:09:02

On 08/07/07 at 02:24:07, The TNM Members Champ wrote:So I suppose you can rationalize that a cocaine user jumps straight into the addiction then? Nothing leads them into it?
I'm staying out of this one as it's gone a little off the topic of TNA and I'm sure Snabbit will put his foot down at one point.

But....

I strongly doubt anyone who has ever smoked pot has not gotten drunk first. Alcohol will always be the first gateway.
Critic of the DawnPosted on 08/08/07 at 05:50:43

All of you arguing in favor of marijuana legalization are missing one critial point.

Marijuana made JBL shoot the ham!

:o

Eric "Critic of the Dawn"
pszPosted on 08/08/07 at 15:12:37

Pretty sure that was alchohol :->



Pot made RVD lose his push!
Snabbit888Posted on 08/09/07 at 01:57:22

Why would anyone want pot to be illegal?

Without pot, I can't make my famous Niemiller Family Gumbo!  Otherwise the ingredients would spill all over the kitchen if I were sans pot.

...

No, *YOU* missed the point completely!
pszPosted on 08/09/07 at 03:37:14

You just need a REALLY big bowl.


(No, not that one ;->)
AllPowerfulGARTHPosted on 08/09/07 at 13:17:58

On 08/07/07 at 19:09:02, Unright wrote:I strongly doubt anyone who has ever smoked pot has not gotten drunk first. Alcohol will always be the first gateway.
And hey, I bet anyone who's ever gotten drunk has gotten all hopped up on Mountain Dew at some prior point in his or her life.

Caffeine is TEH GATEWAY DRUG~!
pszPosted on 08/09/07 at 14:11:21

I blame water.


Without water, you'd never drink, if you didn't drink, you'd never have milk, without milk, you'd never grow old enough to handle Dew, without Dew, no Booze, without Booze, no pot, no pot == no crack, and we all know Crack leads to Katie Vick.


So, it's all Kevin "Kane4Life" Sullivan's fault.
JakePosted on 08/09/07 at 15:08:49

On 08/09/07 at 14:11:21, psz wrote:So, it's all Kevin "Kane4Life" Sullivan's fault.
Kevin Sullivan could use more KANE.
Memphis_VicePosted on 08/10/07 at 01:39:10

The Gateway drug is crappy overpriced Pentiums in boxes with cow splotches on them.
pszPosted on 08/10/07 at 04:28:04

No, you're thinking of crappy overpriced Pentiums with four-letter words on the boxes.
AllPowerfulGARTHPosted on 08/10/07 at 12:57:05

It's all about the Pentiums, baby.
pszPosted on 08/10/07 at 14:09:16

THAT'S IT!

Intel is the Ultimate Gateway drug! Gateway uses them making them a Gateway Drug, and Dell's own spokesperson ended up getting busted for pot, just like RVD!

Intel computers lead to TNM, which we all know is the Ultimate Addiction, as well as Wikipedia, which tells you how to get drugs, cuz it's all evil and stuff according to certain media companies.


AMD is the "cut" version, and thus costs less and does about the same.


So it all goes back to Tesla. Damn that Mark Twain.
The EmpressPosted on 08/10/07 at 23:44:42

But it's all ultimately Kevin Sullivan's fault.  Never forget!
UnrightPosted on 08/11/07 at 06:54:01

On 08/10/07 at 23:44:42, The Empress wrote:But it's all ultimately Kevin Sullivan's fault.  Never forget!
um.. Aren't you mocking yourself?  ;D
JakePosted on 08/11/07 at 07:07:01

On 08/11/07 at 06:54:01, Unright wrote:um.. Aren't you mocking yourself? ;D
Our Anubis is growing up. :-
pszPosted on 08/11/07 at 16:52:06

You have to understand: The TRUTH will always overcome.


Kevin Sullivan is the Anti-Logic.
Kevin Sullivan is the Anti-Booker.
Kevin Sullivan is the Anti-Talent.

He is the true UnHoly Trinity of Wrestling!


HE WILL DEVOUR YOUR SOUL!(alongside some lobsters from his company, with a nice side of greens and... I've said too much)
The EmpressPosted on 08/11/07 at 23:00:08

Hey now, just because he's an evil voodoo master doesn't mean he doesn't have talent.  I have to admit that he was a decent wrestler, a good entertainer, and a somewhat decent booker years ago.
pszPosted on 08/12/07 at 04:18:42

Not that kind of talent... As in "Causes the Talent to walk out" ;->

That was due, of course, to the booking.


Him on a beach with a sword et al would be the logic one.