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| Kings_Of_Wrestling | Posted on 01/12/07 at 08:02:59 I haven't watched TNA since they started the VKM thing. How are they doing now? Are they still doing that stupid VKM shit? Because I'm looking at the card for w/e PPV is this weekend and its looking pretty good... just wanted to see if they are finally heading into the right direction since their stupid ass poop-ideas. |
| Anubis | Posted on 01/12/07 at 08:55:20 Honestly, I think it would be good for business if Vince McMahon actually accepted the challenge put up by TNA. It would bolster the wrestling industry as a whole. The VKM skits are dumb to be sure, but the intent behind them makes sense. |
| psz | Posted on 01/12/07 at 14:01:33 Kinda hard for DX v NAO/VKM to happen right now (Or the next 4-6 months), though ;-> |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 01/13/07 at 19:38:43On 01/12/07 at 08:55:20, Anubis wrote:Honestly, I think it would be good for business if Vince McMahon actually accepted the challenge put up by TNA. It would bolster the wrestling industry as a whole. The VKM skits are dumb to be sure, but the intent behind them makes sense.Why? VKM are WWE rejects. If you want to represent TNA, it would've made more sense having the jackass heel AJ Styles and Samoa Joe make the challenges. I suppose it makes sense for VKM to be comprised of DX rejects trying to challenge the true DX. I just don't think VKM is what represents TNA and it's not why the fans are chanting TNA all the time now at WWE events. While TNA might not be perfect, it at least provides an opportunity for fans to voice their displeasure to Vince McMahon and his outdated sense of humor. What the fans should do is chant "TNA, TNA" and then chant "SpikeTV, SpikeTV", then "Thursdays, Thursdays" and then "9 PM, 9 PM." I was hoping the fans would get ECW-ish and urge the fans to "Change the channel". |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 01/13/07 at 20:14:23 If I were the WWE, I'd bring in the VKM, then promptly job them to The Miz and Funaki repeatedly then release them from their contracts without a 90 day no compete clause, just to prove a point. |
| Unright | Posted on 01/14/07 at 08:14:39On 01/13/07 at 19:38:43, HugeRockStar760 wrote:Why? VKM are WWE rejects. If you want to represent TNA, it would've made more sense having the jackass heel AJ Styles and Samoa Joe make the challenges.Agreed. WCW always had the problem of pushing old ex-WWE stars (Hogan, Nash, Hall, Waltman, Savage, Hart) at the expense of homegrown talent. On 01/13/07 at 19:38:43, HugeRockStar760 wrote:I suppose it makes sense for VKM to be comprised of DX rejects trying to challenge the true DX. I just don't think VKM is what represents TNA and it's not why the fans are chanting TNA all the time now at WWE events.I wouldn't call them DX rejects. They were in DX until that collapsed. If they had never been accepted into DX, then they would be DX rejects. On 01/12/07 at 08:55:20, Anubis wrote:Honestly, I think it would be good for business if Vince McMahon actually accepted the challenge put up by TNA. It would bolster the wrestling industry as a whole. The VKM skits are dumb to be sure, but the intent behind them makes sense.If the WWE had anything to do with TNA, it would only hurt the WWE. |
| AllPowerfulGARTH | Posted on 01/14/07 at 16:51:10On 01/14/07 at 08:14:39, Unright wrote:I wouldn't call them DX rejects. They were in DX until that collapsed. If they had never been accepted into DX, then they would be DX rejects.While "rejects" may not technically be the right word, I do think it's a reasonably good indication of the relevance of VKM as opposed to Shawn Michaels and Triple H. I think that it essentially meant that VKM are former D-Generation X members who have been rejected by WWE (and much of the wrestling community as a whole), whereas Shawn and HHH are former D-X members who have gone on to bigger and better things. It's the same way you could consider, say, Steve McMichael as a Four Horsemen reject -- he never got kicked out of the group per se, but he's an ex-Horseman whose relevance in wrestling has been roundly derided, whereas someone like, say, Chris Benoit was able to better himself significantly after leaving the group. If the WWE had anything to do with TNA, it would only hurt the WWE.Indeed. WWE taking shots at TNA would only work if WWE could take the position that it's fighting back against TNA, not leading the offensive. Technically speaking, WWE WOULD be fighting back, but since WWE is much, much bigger and better-known than TNA, for them to answer the call would seem pissy at best, and bullying at worst. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 01/14/07 at 20:24:46 castoffs, not rejects is the appropriate term. If the WWE had anything to do with TNA, it would only hurt the WWE.Vince should do the honorable thing. Fire a bunch of guys that he knows TNA will hire a ridiculous cost to TNA (that WWE is underusing right now), thusly bankrupting the company just like he did to Bischoff's reign of the open wallet at WCW. Sadly Jarrett's business partners and money marks are just stupid enough to do just that. |
| Kings_Of_Wrestling | Posted on 01/14/07 at 22:42:55 not tryin' to be a jerk but i need to know by the time ppv rolls around. is the TNA doing good now? or are they still annoyingly annoying? |
| Anubis | Posted on 01/16/07 at 04:49:18 Sorry, but I can't help but feel that you're all wrong. First off, WWE couldn't be hurt by getting involved in TNA. Given that WWE gets so little respect from the professional wrestling community these days, it would be a sign of good will. That and it would help the industry as a whole grow. If that happens, then WWE will reap the benefits. Oh, and how would Vince McMahon doing such things to bankrupt TNA do anything but prove every single allegation I've made right? Certainly you all don't wanna hear me saying "I told you so" every day? |
| psz | Posted on 01/16/07 at 05:16:41 I still fail to see how WWE working with TNA would *HELP* WWE? And I don't mean in the eyes of the IWC. Trust me, WWE doesn't make their income off of IWC, nor have they EVER. The IWC is a *MICRON* of their income. They already have the veiwer base: TNA fans either already watch WWE(VAST majority), or refuse to outright(IWC Smarks). Working together would NOT likely change people's minds. Not enough to make a difference, anyway. They already have the gamer base: TNA Impact for XBox/Playstation isn't going to BOOST SvR'07 sales, nor would TNA's involvment with WWE. They already have the PPVs: TNA's involvement would add such a low number of "new" veiwers that the costs to work something out would be negligable. All in all, TNA would (potentially) get a larger veiwer base, and WWE would get... What? Another farm-fed? Made up of FORMER WWE employees? There's no BENEFIT TO WWE for such an involvment. That's the bottom line as far as Titan/McMahon are concerned: How does it help WWE? That's the ONLY question they care about. And the answer is: It doesn't to any level worth bothering with. As for helping the industry, neither WCW or WWE *EVER* cared about helping The Industry. As far as they were (or are) concerned, they *ARE* the industry. I'm not saying it's the Right or Wrong way, but that's THE WAY IT IS. No amount of Backyard Fanboys, or TNA-Wanna-Be-The-Next-ECW-Fans, or Indy-Freaks are gonna change that. Not unless TNA/ROH/Whoever becomes a *LEGITIMATE* competition. And without another Ted Turner or the likes, that's not likely to happen for the next five years. PS: And having said former WWE Employees bitch about how they were misused (With a combined Championship Count higher than the number of Senators currently in office) doesn't help TNA's case, when it comes to getting WWE to "play ball", now does it? PPS: Ah, feck it. I feel like ranting (woot 190 Octanes!). On the one hand you have TNA with all the in-ring talent a company could ask for, and not a booker with more than a pinky toe set in reality abusing them badly. On the other hand, you have WWE whose entire writing staff failed Soap Opera 101, and who had arguably the best booker in the US religated to GenericHeelGM for 8 months before someone finally realise "Oh yeah, our product SUCKS compared to what HE suggested!". Proof that a Three Way Wrestling War ALWAYS produces the best products. First it was NWA/AWA/WWF, then it was WCW/WWF/ECW. Now it's... WWE. Sorry, TNA, ROH, AWASuperstars(or whatever you're called this week), you ARE NOT competition. And "The Industry" suffers as a whole because of it. Not entirely your faults, but stop having 10 minute bitchfests about it until you have the money to back it up. To make said money, do what you do best: PUT ON GREAT MATCHES. Fuck the WWE. They ignore you, return the favor. If I go to an indy show, the LAST thing I want to see is a washed up WWE'r (This is NOT in reference to TNA, BTW), someone in a Doink outfit, or a blatant rip-off of a ten year old gimmick. Gimmie Styles. Gimmie Danielson. Gimmie anyone named Hart or Smith, and I'll attempt to overlook the fact that backstage they'd probably piss me off. Gimmie a *FOUR* sided ring, normal-size or WCW/ECW-size, I don't mind. *DON'T* overdo the "We're different because *blank*" motif. Just DO WHAT YOU DO BEST. Entertain the fucking fans. Anyway, I stop ranting now. The buzz is being killed slowly, and I have work in the morning. Peace, love, MLK, and Go Saints. |
| Anubis | Posted on 01/16/07 at 05:27:45On 01/16/07 at 05:16:41, psz wrote:As for helping the industry, neither WCW or WWE *EVER* cared about helping The Industry. As far as they were (or are) concerned, they *ARE* the industry.Now that gets right down to it. It is the truth, and it just solidifies my point that Vince McMahon doesn't give a crap about the industry as a whole. He's a selfish egomaniac with absolutely no sense when it comes to anything that might hurt his precious ego. Of course the way he handled the WCW invasion and the new ECW and even Goldberg already proved all this, but still people don't seem to get it. Definitely the wrong way, especially since wrestling made Vince McMahon, no matter how much he seems to think it's the other way around. More on TNA in my post on their PPV . . . Not good. |
| Unright | Posted on 01/16/07 at 05:28:45 Ya nailed it, psz. |
| AllPowerfulGARTH | Posted on 01/16/07 at 13:28:55On 01/16/07 at 05:16:41, psz wrote:First it was NWA/AWA/WWF, then it was WCW/WWF/ECW. Now it's... WWE. Sorry, TNA, ROH, AWASuperstars(or whatever you're called this week), you ARE NOT competition. And "The Industry" suffers as a whole because of it. Not entirely your faults, but stop having 10 minute bitchfests about it until you have the money to back it up. To make said money, do what you do best: PUT ON GREAT MATCHES. Fuck the WWE. They ignore you, return the favor. If I go to an indy show, the LAST thing I want to see is a washed up WWE'r (This is NOT in reference to TNA, BTW), someone in a Doink outfit, or a blatant rip-off of a ten year old gimmick.Not that I object to the idea that TNA putting on great matches would be a positive thing, but I'm not sure that great matches alone are going to make the difference. The Monday Night Wars are the only real example I have to go on when it comes to serious competition in the wrestling world, and frankly, I don't know how much of a difference match quality actually made there. When WCW overtook the WWF in the ratings, WCW had obvious advantages when it came to match quality -- in particular, the cruiserweight division, which was head and shoulders above almost anything the WWF offered at the time. Even when the WWF tried to compete on that level, first by bringing in AAA superstars and then by starting its own subpar light heavyweight division, WCW still had the upper hand. Yet, how much of an impact did that really have? Were viewers switching over from RAW to Nitro because the matches were better? I doubt it. Many were switching over because of the nWo, which wasn't exactly known for having the best workers in the company (Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash, the Giant), or for the other main-event storylines, many of which also featured aging and/or subpar workers (Lex Luger, Randy Savage, Roddy Piper). Likewise, when the WWF was able to retake the lead in the ratings war, it wasn't by virtue of its workers -- Stone Cold Steve Austin was the captain of the WWF ship, and he lost almost all of his workrate when Owen Hart crippled him and he switched from technical wrestler to straight brawler. Likewise, the WWF pushed other workers who could only do so much in the ring (The Rock, Mick Foley) but could make each match 100 times better by virtue of their storylines. I realize the Monday Night Wars have been all over but the shouting for some seven years now (yes, WCW has only been gone for six, but it could hardly be considered serious competition for the last year of its existence), so my example may no longer apply when it comes to the tastes of modern wrestling fans. But I suspect that TNA is going to need more than great matches to compete with WWE. TNA has some dumb storylines now (VKM is an obvious example, and the "Abyss...SEEEEEEECRETS" storyline is getting to be pretty lame), but it is the storylines that are going to make the difference if they are ever going to be considered serious competition. |
| psz | Posted on 01/16/07 at 13:59:23 I was referring to the fact that TNA/ROH's *BIGGEST* advantage is in-ring talent. WCW had bookers, in-ring talent, and Names on the roster. WWE had bookers, some in-ring talent, and Names on the roster. ECW had The Booker, in-ring talent, and not many Names on the roster (short visits by Pillman, Austin and the Steiners, and Cactus Jack making it his home for a bit not withstanding). They got big(ish) from the In-Ring Talent being used well by a Good Booker. TNA has a couple of Names on the roster, but nothing like what WCW had (Considering it had NWA and WWF names from top to bottom... So much so that guys who'd held titles in other promotions couldn't get TV time :-P). In this regard, the In-Ring Talent is their biggest asset. They need what WCW and ECW had: A Booker and/or Writing Team. (Sorry, Russo, without having someone there to keep you on this plane of existance, your stories are a bit too Lovecraft for Wrasslin :-P) |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 01/16/07 at 14:50:44 so basically what TNA needs is Kevin Sullivan who is great at booking by the seat of his pants? ;) |
| psz | Posted on 01/17/07 at 00:14:19 Just give him the right incentive: Put his wife in an angle _ (Or Angle in his wife >;->) |