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TNA's "Huge Announcement"
| The Bizz 2.0 | Posted on 09/20/06 at 06:37:36 A Message From TNA President Dixie Carter To The TNA Fans: "In the course of history, there are defining moments that change the fabric of a company forever. These are moments that are spoken about for years, not days, and serve as benchmarks in the annals of a company's growth. And on occasion, those moments transcend the individual company and re-write the history of an industry. This Sunday at the NO SURRENDER PPV, an announcement will be made that will do just that. You will not want to miss the NO SURRENDER PPV." discuss... |
| Unright | Posted on 09/20/06 at 06:44:22 Hyperboles are BACK IN, BABY! |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 09/20/06 at 07:29:08 *yawn* two hour wrestling program *yawn* WWE's been there and done that with TWO programs and now have a one hour LIVE show on Tuesdays in the form of ECW. TNA is so far behind the monopolistic WWE curve, they are comical with their JimiC-like pronouncements. When they follow through, then I'll be impressed. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/20/06 at 16:38:03 You mean TNA now has an extra hour that I won't watch! :o |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/20/06 at 17:11:39 Two hours of TNA is great, but not at that time slot of 11 PM EST. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/21/06 at 21:20:39 LMFAO! The "huge announcement" is the return of Vince Russo. Welcome to the mid-90s, TNA! |
| psz | Posted on 09/22/06 at 00:53:13 Lesse... Former champs from other companies... Bitchfests about WWE/Vince McMahon... Vince Russo.... Mike Tenay.... Larry Z... Now why would you make a claim like THAT, KA??? (And I *KNOW* you didn't mean WCW mid-90s ;->) |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 09/22/06 at 06:25:35 Apparently that's not the big announcement in question. It's still coming. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/22/06 at 15:43:01 Whoops. *tnaisstillstuckinthe90sthough* |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 09/23/06 at 07:52:40 the big announcement is that Jeff Jarrett has lost his smile. |
| AllPowerfulGARTH | Posted on 09/23/06 at 12:39:56 OH NOES! |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 02:17:26 On TNA's main page, there is an advertisement for The Rock's new movie, Spy Hunter. Perhaps it is him that is the major surprise TNA is advertising for tonight's pay per view? |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 09/25/06 at 02:20:53 WWE's had ads for all of Rock's movies on their site too... it's the advertising agency's intelligence, and not TNA's on this one. |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 09/25/06 at 02:23:25 A lot of people think this is going to be a second tv hour or a move to a better timeslot. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 02:30:05On 09/25/06 at 02:23:25, Perverted_Icon wrote:A lot of people think this is going to be a second tv hour or a move to a better timeslot.Well, definitely. However, the difference is that it supposedly will be a new wrestler that will be giving the announcement. I don't think it will be Goldberg since the arrival of Vince Russo will likely end those negotiations. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 04:58:42 The big announcement was that TNA is going to two hours in primetime and that Kurt Angle is going to the promotion. So much for no compete clauses. |
| Crpls | Posted on 09/25/06 at 05:06:02 So he'll die in a TNA ring... |
| Mister Munshun | Posted on 09/25/06 at 08:45:05 OH SHIT! http://www.tnawrestling.com/ OH SHIT! |
| Zedja | Posted on 09/25/06 at 11:45:48 My respect for the guy just took a nosedive. Unless this is a plan for a WWE takeover. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 14:48:36 Why would your respect for him decrease because he signed with the competition? What did you want him to do? Not have a job just because he used to work with the WWE? I think the signing is great and it makes the WWE look naive for firing him. If they cared for his health, they would've scaled down his touring scheduling. |
| rey619 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 16:37:23 This is the smartest move Angle could have done. With TNA's schedule, all he has to do is fight once or twice a month, and still earn a pretty sum. My respect for Angle skyrocketed, the guy actually thinks (if only a little) on his health. Maybe this is a clue to the E about their health-damaging touring schedule. |
| Zedja | Posted on 09/25/06 at 16:44:23On 09/25/06 at 14:48:36, HugeRockStar760 wrote:Why would your respect for him decrease because he signed with the competition? What did you want him to do? Not have a job just because he used to work with the WWE?If he wasn't hurting so much I would cheer him on as much as the next guy. But I like the guy too much to see him in a wheelchair or worse. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 16:51:28 How is Kurt Angle's health any different from other wrestlers that work the same schedule he did? It's overstated and I think Kurt Angle has been clearly disrespected by the WWE in making it seem like he cares more about wrestling than his well being. Sure, he had a broken freakin' neck, but so did Chris Benoit and both came back to wrestle the same kind of schedule. Why don't we have any "Chris Benoit cares more about wrestling than his health" posts? And if Kurt Angle took steroids, it's only because Vince McMahon will only push wrestlers seriously if they have an overly muscular physique. I mean, it is really conflicting to have a health policy in effect when the Chairman of the company was/is a heavy steroid abuser. |
| Trance | Posted on 09/25/06 at 18:03:14 The whole reason Kurt Angle wanted out of his contract was citing "personal" and "health" reasons and saying he was "burned out" after wrestling 150-200 nights a year, year after year and needed a "mental vacation". I guess he wasn't hurting as much as he said he was, if he signed with TNA. Not that I am defending everything WWE/McMahon has ever done, but Kurt Angle just stabbed in the back, the very people who gave him everything in this business. My respect for Angle is now nill. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/25/06 at 19:13:28 Plus, wasn't Kurt planning on going to MMA? So much for rest, Kurt. Hey, his funeral I guess. |
| wizardneedsfood | Posted on 09/25/06 at 19:27:02On 09/25/06 at 19:13:28, kurropt_antagonist wrote:Plus, wasn't Kurt planning on going to MMA? So much for rest, Kurt. Hey, his funeral I guess.Hook, line, and sinker. It was a work so no one would expect him to go to TNA. Plus he most likely won't appear in-ring for them until the November 11th super show. Working twice or three times a month will be a lot easier on his body than the WWE schedule. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/25/06 at 19:57:33On 09/25/06 at 19:27:02, wizardneedsfood wrote:Hook, line, and sinker. It was a work so no one would expect him to go to TNA.Yeah, I just read that. I'm not upset anymore. If he wants to continue wrestling on a smaller scale (3 times a month, tops) I'm completely fine with that. Oh, and TNA has not gotten a two-hour timeslot. That's just the first episode in the new timeslot. They'll still be one-hour. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 20:14:26On 09/25/06 at 18:03:14, Trance wrote:The whole reason Kurt Angle wanted out of his contract was citing "personal" and "health" reasons and saying he was "burned out" after wrestling 150-200 nights a year, year after year and needed a "mental vacation".Kurt didn't want out of his contract. Vince McMahon fired his ass, just like he fired Jim Ross. Vince wanted him to go to rehab and admit he had a problem, and Kurt wasn't for that, didn't think he had a problem, so Vince decided to fire him...It was a lousy business decision because now TNA finally has a legit main eventer that will attract WWE fans. The only thing I dislike about the announcement is that the Impact timeslot is one hour. It's on at a better time, but one hour is too short for the amount of wrestlers they have. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/25/06 at 21:20:04 Yeah, real lousy for WWE to fire a guy who refused to go to rehab and admit his addictions. Damn you, Vincent Kennedy McMahon, for not allowing one wrestler to give you anymore bad press! Also, I hate to break it to you guys, but Kurt Angle =/= ratings. They'll see a small bump for, maybe, three months, but until they change their image to an actual anti-WWE, instead of just complaining about WWE, nothing will happen for them. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 21:36:11 How do you know Kurt Angle had any addictions to begin with? It reaks of a WWE smear job. Look how the company went from praising Kurt Angle one moment to criticizing him as being unstable in one of those WWE Mobile updates. I think all of the Kurt Angle health crisis stuff is way out of hand. It's too bad people didn't take notice, especially Vince McMahon, before a true health crisis occurred to Eddie Guerrero. If Vince wants to be a good guy, he'll scale back on touring, and provide health care for all his employees and even signed WWE legends. There is no excuse for continuing with the system of independent contractors in wrestling. |
| rey619 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 21:56:35 Oh come on people.... why can't you see that this is better for Kurt Angle's health? Let me see... a) Work 3-4 nights a week for WWE b) work 2-3 nights a month for TNA It's not rocket science. Backstabbing my ass, this is how you take care of yourself and your family. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/25/06 at 22:06:31On 09/25/06 at 21:36:11, HugeRockStar760 wrote:How do you know Kurt Angle had any addictions to begin with?Yeah, I'm sure Kurt was just able to get through all the pain he was in on his own. He certainly wasn't living off painkillers or failing drug tests. If Vince wants to be a good guy, he'll scale back on touring, and provide health care for all his employees and even signed WWE legends.I agree. |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 09/25/06 at 22:37:55 All the hand-wringing I've seen on the net about the "well-being" of Kurt Angle is a little disingenuous, if you ask me. Angle is addicted to drugs, so he shouldn't be on tv. How long have we watched guys like Benoit, Dynamite Kid, Randy Orton, HHH, Scott Steiner, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Eddie Guerrero, Shawn Michaels, Sting, Lex Luger, Randy Savage, Chris Masters, Davey Boy Smith, Brian Pillman, Ahmed Johnson, Al Snow, the Road Warriors, Batista, Superstar Billy Graham, Buff Bagwell, DDP, Hardcore Holly and Vince McMahon, to name a few, and said NOTHING, despite the fact that every one of them -- yes, every one of them -- has been on the gas for much of the time that we've watched them. (cue Anubis coming in and saying everybody mentioned with good workrate isn't juiced but everyone with bad workrate is) Don't we care about them? People who are pissed at Angle or "worried" about Angle are upset that he's leaving WWE. TNA said they would make a big announcement, and this certainly qualifies. I give them credit. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/25/06 at 23:32:02 Thanks ICON for pointing that fact out about the IWC. I call it "Benoitism". The smarts only care for the technical, workrate oriented wrestlers. While they could care less if Batista or another more brawling type kind of wrestler is abusing drugs. The whole "Oh noes Kurt don't wrestle it is bad for your health!" comments have been so overblown. He has a family, kids, a wife (last I checked). To say he wouldn't know when to call it quits and is more addicted to wrestling than his own well being and being a father and a husband for a long time is really selfish, and indeed is not caring for the wrestler. It's a blatant sign of disrespect for someone you supposedly respect and care for. The one thing I am irritated at Kurt Angle about is his comments regarding his six years in the WWE. I'm not sure if these were his comments or just an add in from the TNA writers, but he comes off as saying the WWE was holding him back...Which is complete nonsense and unfortunately he's coming off as ingenuine as Christian, Rhino, and Team 3D have. If it weren't for the WWE, Kurt Angle would've faded into obscurity or taping more pizza commercials. I actually thought at the time that the WWE took a big chance in pushing Kurt Angle considering how much of a failure Mark Henry, a former Olympian had fared to that point. But he got over, in large part to the WWE focusing on his wrestling ability and then getting his personality to match his wrestling ability. |
| Crpls | Posted on 09/26/06 at 00:27:19Oh come on people.... why can't you see that this is better for Kurt Angle's health? Let me see...His wife already left him once because he didn't give a shit about his body and the effects it had on his family. Yes, it's a lighter workload but the guy has basically said he's going to wrestle until he dies. With all the pills he's poppin' to keep going, his body is probably already screwed. That's not taking care of yourself and your family. Angle should have plenty of money, and if he really cared about his health, he would've gone to rehab like the WWE wanted while still getting paid and then came back and talked about his schedule concerns. Would the WWE have let him take a lighter schedule? Maybe, maybe not. He could've still gone to TNA if not. I don't have a lack of respect for the guy, but I do think he's a bit wonkers and all the drugs aren't helping. I think he cares about his family, but he just doesn't know when to stop. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 09/26/06 at 00:50:40 smell the buyrates... TNA vs ECW... as Big Show gets a rectal exam from Jeff Jarrett next. |
| Anubis | Posted on 09/26/06 at 06:47:18On 09/25/06 at 21:56:35, rey619 wrote:Oh come on people.... why can't you see that this is better for Kurt Angle's health? Let me see...QFT! On 09/25/06 at 22:06:31, kurropt_antagonist wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Kurt was just able to get through all the pain he was in on his own. He certainly wasn't living off painkillers or failing drug tests.One thing here . . . You guys do know that painkillers can be obtained legally, right? Heck, it blows my mind when I hear the reports of illegal painkillers, since they're so damn easy to get legally. If you have an extreme pain, a doctor will usually allow it once you've had an exam. Even I've been on them a couple of times. Both were after surgery, but the pain I was going through was probably nothing compared to what Kurt Angle goes through on the job. If I can get them so easily, so could he. Sorry to burst so many bubbles. If Angle is in constant pain because of injuries, it's not necessarily a painkiller addiction. An addiction would be if he still continued using them after he no longer needed them. Given his condition, I fully believe that until he's well-rested and has recovered from his injuries, any painkiller use is very likely legit. As long as he's not using the beyond-awful and dangerous oxycontin (which you shouldn't use no matter how much pain you're in due to the dangers), he should be fine. I could be wrong, but all things considered, I doubt it. On 09/25/06 at 22:37:55, Perverted_Icon wrote:How long have we watched guys like Benoit, Dynamite Kid, Randy Orton, HHH, Scott Steiner, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Eddie Guerrero, Shawn Michaels, Sting, Lex Luger, Randy Savage, Chris Masters, Davey Boy Smith, Brian Pillman, Ahmed Johnson, Al Snow, the Road Warriors, Batista, Superstar Billy Graham, Buff Bagwell, DDP, Hardcore Holly and Vince McMahon, to name a few, and said NOTHING, despite the fact that every one of them -- yes, every one of them -- has been on the gas for much of the time that we've watched them. (cue Anubis coming in and saying everybody mentioned with good workrate isn't juiced but everyone with bad workrate is) Don't we care about them?Actually, there are a few names that I don't believe qualify for your list of steroid users, assuming that's what you mean by "gas". Randy Orton and Sting I'm fairly certain have never used steroids, although it's quite possible Orton has been smoking pot. I'd also almost say the same of Shawn Michaels, although I'm not totally convinced of that one. Same thing with Chris Benoit as Shawn Michaels. I can't really argue with anyone else on the list. |
| rey619 | Posted on 09/26/06 at 10:46:20On 09/26/06 at 00:27:19, Crpls wrote:His wife already left him once because he didn't give a shit about his body and the effects it had on his family. Yes, it's a lighter workload but the guy has basically said he's going to wrestle until he dies. With all the pills he's poppin' to keep going, his body is probably already screwed. That's not taking care of yourself and your family.Yeah, I know.. but he still gotta pay child support, right? Unless his children are over 18 or something. I know very well that Kurt Angle would do best in retire alltogether, but we all know that won't happen, and this way, at least he gets to live a few years longer. |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 09/26/06 at 12:01:49 I think Angle's wife left him as much for his, I don't know, FUCKING DAWN MARIE ON THE ROAD, as it was him "not caring about his body. Orton, Benoit, Sting, and especially Shawn Michaels, have used steroids during their career, Anubis. Look at pictures of each throughout their careers. I don't really want to get into this debate again with you. Remember the whole "Eddie G didn't use steroids" debate for about a month before it came out that "years of steroid use" helped lead to his death? It's the same thing here, Brandon. Just trust me on this. You can tell just by looking at them at different points. I know you don't like to think that people you like are doing this or that (as in all the chick wrestlers that you like don't have breast implants, but those you don't do have them) but these guys have. You almost had to do it when they came up in the business. |
| HugeRockStar760 | Posted on 09/26/06 at 15:17:39 I think it is laughable that someone would think Shawn Michaels didn't take steroids in the 90s. Of course, his body wasn't similar to Hulk Hogan's, but he was still jacked to the point that now that he is smaller, it is noticeable. Like I said, it's all Benoitism running rampant. People are quick to get on Chris Masters' case about steroids and the same with Test because they aren't the classic technical wrestlers. But if a popular wrestler with the IWC is taking steroids or other drugs, somehow it is perfectly acceptable and plausable denial starts up. |
| kurropt_antagonist | Posted on 09/26/06 at 17:11:12On 09/26/06 at 12:01:49, Perverted_Icon wrote:Remember the whole "Eddie G didn't use steroids" debate for about a month before it came out that "years of steroid use" helped lead to his death?Actually the argument was whether Eddie was still using steroids or not at the time of his death. |
| Anubis | Posted on 09/26/06 at 21:36:18 No, he's right on Eddie Guerrero, I can own up to win I'm wrong. I didn't think Guerrero was on steroids at all, and on that one I was wrong. That's one time being wrong, though, and it doesn't make me wrong on everyone. Like I said, I'm not certain on Shawn Michaels and Chris Benoit. Yeah, they're smaller now, but need I remind you that Michaels was "retired" for like four or five years and he's in his 40s? His losing size could just be "getting old". Benoit, I do believe his size increase, which took place over an entire decade, was natural. How do you know? Still, he's another question mark in my book, nothing certain. Randy Orton and Sting, however, I'm about 99% certain neither of them have been on steroids. I think people need to stop going by "well so-and-so is a lot bigger here than there", because quite frankly, that isn't the best way to judge. It's a lot different than breast implants, which are fairly obvious most of the time. Yeah, there are some obvious cases of steroid use, like Billy Graham, Scott Steiner, Vince McMahon, and others, but there are also some who don't have the roid look, people like Edge, who have admitted to being on it. Yes, the only way we can guess is by what they look like, but I don't think it's fair to accuse nine out of ten wrestlers of steroid use without proof, at least not when it comes to the ones who don't really have the roid look. As for not liking girls with breast implants and all that, need I remind you that I find Dawn Marie very hot? I was shocked to learn she had them, seeing as she's still nearly flat, but ah well. I've been over the different levels of breast jobs before. I know most of the WWE women have them, probably bought and paid for by Vince McMahon himself except in a couple cases like Trish Stratus and Trinity (who had them before joining WWE). Still, with wrestling woman, the four I find most attractive are Cheerleader Melissa, Sarah Stock, Mariko Yoshida (don't ask, I have no idea why), and LuFisto, and I'm 99% certain they all have real breasts. So you had it backward. I don't think women I like don't have breast implants and vice versa, I just usually don't like womenwith breast implants because they have breast implants, except in cases where you can't tell just from looking at them (like Dawn Marie; forget seeing old pictures of her, looking only at her now, and there's no way to tell, mainly because she has none of the classic signs). Anyway, back on topic. People need to stop hating on Kurt Angle. He has months to recover, not weeks. His first in-ring appearance, from what I've heard, is as a special guest referee at Bound for Glory in the Jarrett/Sting match. He's basically compromising by doing something that would be slightly better for his health without having to retire outright. Kevin Nash and Scott Steiner actually did fairly decent work in their most recent TNA runs; give Angle a chance to do the same. I predict that Angle will turn heel and join Jarrett, then have a match against Joe in December. Cornette will talk Sting into coming out of retirement, only fair since he wasn't fairly beaten, and then Sting/Joe will take on Jarrett/Angle in January. Joe will finally win the belt in February. Not certain about the timing, but the events will probably go down something like that. |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 09/26/06 at 21:59:56 http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/bladerunners/01.jpg Come on. |
| Trance | Posted on 09/26/06 at 23:47:05 Randy Orton looks too "normal" regarding muscle mass, IMHO as opposed to Hogan, Savage and Scott Steiner (especially Steiner) who looked "too manufactured" |
| Crpls | Posted on 09/27/06 at 01:17:17 If Benoit wasn't on the roids, then neither was Eddie. They both had pretty much the same pattern. Benoit didn't grow "naturally" over a decade. He got a lot more muscle pretty rapidly late in his WCW career and kept it up in the WWE. I don't think it's all that hard to tell the difference between a natural body and someone who is taking roids. Look at HHH, it's pretty easy to tell when he was heavy on the roids versus when he wasn't taking them. A whole lot less painkillers for Benoit, though. I don't think HBK did much roids, or if he did, it really didn't show as much as on other guys. Well, I'm sure he did take some steroids too during his knee troubles and such. He never looked nearly as jacked up as many others have, but that could be because he's such a scrawny motherfucker. If he was ever a legit 200+, I'd be shocked. Maybe the chest hair hid it, though. I think he had painkiller problems for a while, if anything. |
| psz | Posted on 09/27/06 at 01:43:59 See my other post in WWE RE: Painkillers ;-> As for HBK, he went from flabby (Rockers/Intial IC Run such as v Bret Hart in the Ladder Match) to big-ish (Same BASIC size, but muscle instead of flab... Pre-WWE Title Run) to wirey (like now). The only time I could say that the "size rule" would be in effect would be DURING his IC runs through his first WWE title... After that (and the back-retirement) he's obviously smaller. If he had been on something, that's probably when he STOPPED (Also around the time he was born again, isn't it?) |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 09/27/06 at 01:44:22 HBK was hevy into the recreational drug scene... just ask Party Marty Jannetty. as for Sting being not being on roids... mwahahahahaha... Dude... Sting got off the stuff when he "found God" aka went into the rafters with his back problems during the Sting vs nWo angle. Sting used to be WAY bigger muscularly than he is currently. And Freakzilla Scott Steiner is on something... or he's just one crazed out gym rat... and chances are he's a bit of both. |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 09/27/06 at 12:36:33 You don't get it. Sting is a "good worker", so he hasn't done the roids. |
| Tommy Brownell | Posted on 09/28/06 at 03:39:34On 09/26/06 at 06:47:18, Anubis wrote:Actually, there are a few names that I don't believe qualify for your list of steroid users, assuming that's what you mean by "gas". Randy Orton and Sting I'm fairly certain have never used steroids, although it's quite possible Orton has been smoking pot. I'd also almost say the same of Shawn Michaels, although I'm not totally convinced of that one. Same thing with Chris Benoit as Shawn Michaels.Apologies if this has been said already, but Sting admitted to steroid use. Said he quit after his first tour of Japan and all the Japanese press kept treating him like a freak. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 09/28/06 at 14:59:10 Just because he was business partners and best friends with Lex Luger, I always figured that Sting was a user. One doesn't have the "isometric mesomorphic"© body that Luger had without taking something. ©Vinny Mac's WBF BodyStars in reference to Larry Luger. |
| Tommy Brownell | Posted on 09/28/06 at 21:46:36 Fair enough...but really, especially post-Bladerunners, Sting's never been excessively large. And the drugs he kicked when he found God were painkillers, as I understand it, not steroids. Not saying this just to defend Sting, and not directing it at you, Rick, just a general point...but just because a guy's got a physique and mebbe you don't so much, doesn't mean he's on steroids...just that he works at it a bit more than you. |
| Trance | Posted on 09/29/06 at 00:11:44On 09/25/06 at 02:20:53, Rick Garrard wrote:WWE's had ads for all of Rock's movies on their site too... it's the advertising agency's intelligence, and not TNA's on this one.Since Vinnie Mac is listed as head producer, are you surprised by this? |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 09/29/06 at 11:34:32On 09/28/06 at 21:46:36, Tommy Brownell wrote:Fair enough...but really, especially post-Bladerunners, Sting's never been excessively large.Of course, there's also the whole "he did steroids" thing, too. You could probably count on one hand the number of top guys from the 80s/90s who didn't use steroids. It was acceptable, even almost madatory, back then. |
| Anubis | Posted on 09/29/06 at 14:07:16 They also weren't illegal back then. Check it: The U.S. Congress in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 placed anabolic steroids into Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). The CSA defines anabolic steroids as any drug or hormonal substance chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, and corticosteroids) that promotes muscle growth. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid So unless you can show that he did steroids after 1990, such accusations simply won't stick. We are talking about illegal steroid use, after all, not legit or proper steroid use (which most certainly exists in many cases). |
| Unright | Posted on 09/29/06 at 16:51:21On 09/29/06 at 14:07:16, Anubis wrote:So unless you can show that he did steroids after 1990, such accusations simply won't stick. We are talking about illegal steroid use, after all, not legit or proper steroid use (which most certainly exists in many cases).Yeah, but pre-90s legit and proper steroids are just as damaging to the body as post-90s illegal steroids. Maybe a little less since it was regulated by doctors, but not that much. So that's a bit of a moot point. |
| Anubis | Posted on 09/29/06 at 23:25:55On 09/29/06 at 16:51:21, Unright wrote:Yeah, but pre-90s legit and proper steroids are just as damaging to the body as post-90s illegal steroids. Maybe a little less since it was regulated by doctors, but not that much. So that's a bit of a moot point.Actually . . . Amazingly enough, when I went to read up on this subject, I found out some amazing information. The biggest chunk is that the supposed health risks of steroids are somewhat exaggerated. In fact, this is all still found in that article I posted. According to the medical research, most of the side effects can dampened or even avoided altogether. Believe me, this actually surprised me, as I've always considered steroids the male version of breast implants (which gives you all an idea of how I feel on the subject overall). When taken completely properly under medical supervision, steroids actually pose little threat of harm. In addition, steroid use, even improper steroid use, is reported to be rarely fatal. Yeah, it's probably not a good idea to do as much as, say, Scott Steiner, or Billy Graham, both of whom greatly abused steroids to an absurd degree, but . . . Well . . . I don't honestly know what to believe anymore. As such, that makes me wonder. Who was it around here that said the deaths going on may have more to do with abuse of other drugs? Whoever it was, I think there might actually be some merit to that statement after all. I had dismissed it before, but after actually reading up on the steroid issue, I'm starting to wonder if there might be some propaganda involved in the "steroids will kill you" camp. I used to lump them together with smoking and other drugs, but as it turns out, comparitively speaking, steroids are almost harmless when used properly, at least according to everything I've read thus far. I just don't know now. I'm shocked and amazed by what I found out when I actually bothered to read up on the subject. |
| Crpls | Posted on 09/29/06 at 23:26:28 Steroids are steroids, illegal or not. I don't think anyone is saying the wrestlers who've used them since they became illegal should be thrown in prison or anything. From a health standpoint, they were just as stupid to use heavily before the law as they are now. If not moreso since I would imagine the process has been refined and all that since then. In other Kurt Angle Death Watch news, K-1 has apparently made him an offer to work their New Years Eve show. |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 09/29/06 at 23:59:47 For some reason I couldn't help but think of Kurt Angle Bay Watch...which is something that I honestly would be happy never thinking of again. |
| psz | Posted on 09/30/06 at 01:52:04 Discovery Channel had a GREAT show on steriods a few months ago (The Man Whose Arm Exploded or something like that). Got into the VERY "non-publicised" side of health risks of steroids. Hell of a documentary. I advise watching if you're interested in what steroids can do and have done to people. Now, COMBINE steroids + pain killers (+ alchohol, in many cases) and you have a very toxic cocktail to work with. And it happens *A LOT*, not just in WWE or Wrestling, but in a lot of sports. Since wrestling is not considered a true sport, and is thus much less federally regulated, it's performers tend to be able to "push the envelope" harder and further than "real" sports. To be honest, my *BIGGEST* complaint about Angle isn't that he wants to wrestle while still on pills... It's that he left one company *CITING HEALTH REASONS AS AN EXCUSE TO GET OUT OF THE NO COMPETE CLAUSE* and signing with another company. If he wants to kill himself in the ring, that's up to him. If he wants to spend more time at home than WWE would allow, more power to him. DON'T lie your way out of a contract with the company that MADE you a household name. WWE could have VERY easilly said "Ok, we'll take you off the road, but you'll still be under contract". They didn't. Maybe they were stupid. Maybe they *TRUSTED* this guy they've allowed to become a major player. Who knows. As much as IWC bashes McMahon for underhanded dealings (myself included), I do think it's ironic this time, the underhanded dealing bit him in the ass. I STILL think it's a shitty way to handle business. |
| Anubis | Posted on 09/30/06 at 08:18:11On 09/30/06 at 01:52:04, psz wrote:Discovery Channel had a GREAT show on steriods a few months ago (The Man Whose Arm Exploded or something like that).I actually did catch pieces of that, and that was part of my prior reasoning. Question is, how much did the guy abuse steroids? I saw his arm, and it almost made my last three meals come back for second rounds. I'm starting to think maybe steroids are like alcohol; fine in very moderated amounts, but very very bad when used too often. Certainly would explain conflicting reports. On 09/30/06 at 01:52:04, psz wrote:Now, COMBINE steroids + pain killers (+ alchohol, in many cases) and you have a very toxic cocktail to work with. And it happens *A LOT*, not just in WWE or Wrestling, but in a lot of sports. Since wrestling is not considered a true sport, and is thus much less federally regulated, it's performers tend to be able to "push the envelope" harder and further than "real" sports.In Kurt Angle's defense, it is possible that his reasoning was perfectly legitimate. He wanted out of his WWE contract for health reasons, and that seems valid. If you look at it from the standpoint that WWE is simply far more demanding than TNA, plus the fact that Angle doesn't seem to be set to wrestle at any point before Bound For Glory (and maybe not even this year), then that would give the impression that Angle's reasoning was something like this: "I just can't meet the physical demands of WWE anymore, but I do want to remain a wrestler. Given that Vince McMahon would do anything and everything to keep me out of any other wrestling promotion, I have to deal with him via his own tactics. Then I can move on to some other company with a far less demanding schedule and continue my career." He has almost certainly burned the bridges with WWE, but that's probably fine by him, since he likely will never be in good enough shape to compete there again. Angle would definitely be better off retiring, but I am glad he's joined TNA. I am a bit torn, because he has grown on me over the years, but . . . Well, if he can help TNA get in better shape without killing himself, then more power too him. I just hope he doesn't join the list of casualties. We'll have to see how big a role he plays. I honestly doubt he'll be a full-time wrestler anymore, even in TNA. TNA probably brought him in for name value, not to be an active competitor. If the booking is smart, he'll have some good main event action and then be used to put over Samoa Joe and other up-and-comers before being relegated to a managerial type of status. In fact, maybe, just maybe, he'll be used as Bobby Roode's manager. That sounds like it could do very well. |
| Tommy Brownell | Posted on 09/30/06 at 11:31:37On 09/29/06 at 11:34:32, Perverted_Icon wrote:*blink* My point is, that he was a bodybuilder before he got into wrestling...and then spent most of his career not on steroids. I never said he never did them. I said that, as far as anyone knows, he went most of his career without them. Just because a guy's in shape doesn't mean he's on drugs...it just means he's not sitting on his ass eating cheetos all day. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 09/30/06 at 22:29:05Source: Inside Pulse http://wrestling.insidepulse.com/articles/61423/2006/09/28/special-edition-the-botterm-dollar-in-news-15.html There's a good bit of detail in the linked article about Angle's contract, although I'm not sure how trustworthy the source is and the ads there are obnoxious. The part I quoted and bolded was the most interesting to me. I find it interesting that the "ROH Exception" seems to be slowing becoming a standard feature in TNA's longterm contracts among those interested in working there. My feelings about Angle in ROH are mixed - I'm a huge Kurt Angle fan, and Angle vs. American Dragon is almost as much of a dream match as Benoit vs. Dragon and Joe vs. Angle, but given ROH's propensity for long, hard hitting matches... well... I worry. September 25th: Since everyone is asking, there have been no talks with Kurt Angle about coming to ROH.Source: Ring of Honor Newswire http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=897 But from this, it looks like ROH is playing it safe for the time being. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| wizardneedsfood | Posted on 10/01/06 at 06:22:25On 09/30/06 at 01:52:04, psz wrote:Dude, Angle was fired. He didn't ask for his release. |
| Crpls | Posted on 10/01/06 at 06:39:09On 09/30/06 at 11:31:37, Tommy Brownell wrote:The bodybuilding industry in the late 70s/early 80s wasn't exactly renown for it's steroid prevention, though. It may have been worse than 80s/90s wrestling. I actually agree with you about Sting. Even in the pre-Crow days he never looked anywhere near as ripped as known abusers. He looked like, you know, human. |