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Brock in MMA...

americamamushiPosted on 08/04/06 at 00:33:20

From the St. Paul Pioneer Press...
Former Gophers NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion Brock Lesnar has been vigorously training near his home in Independence for an "ultimate fighting" match in October in Las Vegas. Former heavyweight boxer Scott LeDoux is training Lesnar, a former professional wrestler, for boxing, and Lesnar also has a mentor to help him improve his kicking skills.
I have a feeling this isn't going to go well for him.  Unless whatever promotion he is going to fight for sets him up with a total can I'm gonna predict he either gets KTFO or he's going to get submitted.
CarlzillaPosted on 08/04/06 at 00:44:05

I don't see him getting knocked out, he's way to big for that. I do however feel that if he ends up in someones gaurd or on the ground not in control it's over.

I hope that he does get knocked out, I hope he's the laughing stock of the entire MMA world. Then he can come crawling back to wrestling and after what he's pulled with WWE and NJPW I doubt he'd be welcomed back with open arms.

I hate Bork Lester.
kurropt_antagonistPosted on 08/04/06 at 00:52:09

On 08/04/06 at 00:33:20, americamamushi wrote:Brock in MMA...
Who?  ::)
HugeRockStar760Posted on 08/04/06 at 00:52:17

TNA would gladly take Brock Lesnar, once his contract allows him to.
americamamushiPosted on 08/04/06 at 00:53:18

On 08/04/06 at 00:44:05, Carlzilla wrote:I don't see him getting knocked out, he's way to big for that.
If he gets hit on the button, he'll go down.  My theory there is I dunno how effectively he'll be able to protect himself from getting hit like that.  It also depends on his opponent.  He may be big, but he's also going to be fighting big guys.  The fight is in Vegas and unless he drops 20 some pounds he'll have to fight superheavyweight as I believe UFC's weight classes are just the same as those set my the Nevada State Athletics Commission.  He's big, but if thats the case he'll be facing guys just as big or bigger.

I do however feel that if he ends up in someones gaurd or on the ground not in control it's over.
Definitely
kurropt_antagonistPosted on 08/04/06 at 00:57:34

On 08/04/06 at 00:52:17, HugeRockStar760 wrote:TNA would gladly take Brock Lesnar, once his contract allows him to.
And that is why TNA will fail.  They'll be too busy spending money (they don't have) bringing in everyone and their mother instead of using what they have to build new stars.

Wasting time on "legends" who won't put anyone over without bitching about it.

(Yes, WWE is guilty of the same thing, but they have the money to do so.)
HugeRockStar760Posted on 08/04/06 at 01:21:11

On 08/04/06 at 00:57:34, kurropt_antagonist wrote:
And that is why TNA will fail. They'll be too busy spending money (they don't have) bringing in everyone and their mother instead of using what they have to build new stars.

Wasting time on "legends" who won't put anyone over without bitching about it.

(Yes, WWE is guilty of the same thing, but they have the money to do so.)
Is Brock even close to being 30 years old yet? I fail to see how TNA investing in someone like Brock Lesnar, based on what he can bring to a promotion would result in failure. The only problem is he's a spoiled brat so he'd probably screw over TNA sooner than later.
Snabbit888Posted on 08/04/06 at 01:23:17

Like Lesnar's attitude or not, he is a guy who could make a difference right away whether it be in TNA or if he returns to WWE.  It might only be a matter of time before he decides he wants to do something else though.
kurropt_antagonistPosted on 08/04/06 at 01:30:20

On 08/04/06 at 01:21:11, HugeRockStar760 wrote:Is Brock even close to being 30 years old yet? I fail to see how TNA investing in someone like Brock Lesnar, based on what he can bring to a promotion would result in failure. The only problem is he's a spoiled brat so he'd probably screw over TNA sooner than later.
Exactly my point.  Stop investing in guys with egos and MAKE NEW GUYS and help keep their heads on straight (IE - John Cena).

Edit: Keed?
CarlzillaPosted on 08/04/06 at 01:38:56

On 08/04/06 at 01:21:11, HugeRockStar760 wrote:

Is Brock even close to being 30 years old yet? I fail to see how TNA investing in someone like Brock Lesnar, based on what he can bring to a promotion would result in failure. The only problem is he's a spoiled brat so he'd probably screw over TNA sooner than later.
You just contradicted yourself. If he screws them over, and we all know he will, then TNA's investment has ended in failure.

Honestly, he's not even that talented. He looked great squashing guys in the WWE. But watch his matches in Japan, where a lot of guys have a legitimate background, and he just can't keep up. He's kinda an overblown, over hyped, washed up, useless, hack who also happens to have the atitude of a douchefruit.
kurropt_antagonistPosted on 08/04/06 at 01:42:05

douchefruit
I just giggled in an inappropriate way.  :o
HugeRockStar760Posted on 08/04/06 at 05:50:27

On 08/04/06 at 01:38:56, Carlzilla wrote:

You just contradicted yourself. If he screws them over, and we all know he will, then TNA's investment has ended in failure.

Honestly, he's not even that talented. He looked great squashing guys in the WWE. But watch his matches in Japan, where a lot of guys have a legitimate background, and he just can't keep up. He's kinda an overblown, over hyped, washed up, useless, hack who also happens to have the atitude of a douchefruit.
Just the rub he'd give TNA in the short term would be worth it. Especially once Spike TV gives them a two hour Impact. They're going to need some guys like Brock who can put over the product and put over their stars. I think Brock just got bad advice from someone or had a bad influence backstage with the WWE.
Rick GarrardPosted on 08/04/06 at 06:22:58

Scott LeDoux was also a former wrestling referee in the AWA, and if I'm not mistaken also had a wrestling match or two in his time in Verne Gagne's AWA in Minneapolis.  

I wonder if LeDoux had a hand in training then AWA wrestler Derrick Dukes for his "boxing match" against former New York Jets player Mark Gastineau as well?  How hard is it to teach a guy to take a dive on a poorly landed punch?  (For those that have ever seen that fight, Dukes goes down on one of the worst connecting punches in boxing history and he stayed down, to make himself the laughing stock of the night, to the point where even ESPN was making fun of him, even though at the time they were airing AWA wrestling)

Lesnar was the next big thing, now his ego is the "big thing".  HE really needs to find one thing and stick with it.  He has the potential but will never live up to it if his career keeps going in this swirling around the toilet bowl effect that it has.
AnubisPosted on 08/05/06 at 05:43:04

Vitor would knock Brock's block off in under a minute I think, and Fedor would have that little bitch tapping even quicker.  Brock is big, and that's it; he has no background or training in this shit, and he's got too big an ego to get properly trained.

Hell, put 50-year-old Rickson Gracie against him, that would be hilarious.  Even at his age, Rickson would take Brock easily.  Hell, any Gracie could.

Now what I'd pay to see is an MMA match between Brock and Goldberg . . .
Snabbit888Posted on 08/05/06 at 06:06:46

Though I admit Lesnar probably wouldn't do too well in MMA, he still does have a great amateur background, so I'm sure he wouldn't get killed by EVERYONE. :)
americamamushiPosted on 08/05/06 at 08:17:35

Lesnar will do alright at taking guys down with amateur take downs and probably at working for position too.  The question really I think is what will happen when guys are throwing punches and kicks and Brock is trying to get in for that takedown.  Or how will he being able to capitalize if ontop of a grounded opponent or defend himself from strikes and submission effectively with someone on top of him.
Rick GarrardPosted on 08/05/06 at 16:08:32

You just know that in MMA that for his first major match, Brock will be fed Ken Shamrock, since Kenny is the whipping boy of the UFC these days.  The only thing he is most dangerous to is himself.
americamamushiPosted on 08/05/06 at 19:56:08

I'm not even sure Shammy would lose.  Against a seasoned MMA guy at the top of the sport he's visibly past this prime it seems, but against a newbie like Brock, who knows.  

Brock would have to drop 20lbs for that fight too.