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H8-SuperstarPosted on 03/15/06 at 06:42:39

Fanboys are much worse than the stupid stuff WWE puts out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=squczMQyXY4

Captain TagonPosted on 03/15/06 at 06:54:43

Eh, CZW makes me embarassed to be a wrestling fan.
Rick GarrardPosted on 03/15/06 at 07:38:34

Internet posters that only point out negatives and not positives of the shows they watch make me embarassed to be a fan.
rey619Posted on 03/15/06 at 09:29:26

The CZW fan is an embarrassment to CZW, that's for sure, but I think it helped the feud in its own bizarre way. A lot of wrestling fans have picked up on this stupid mofo without knowing the greatness that is the CZW vs ROH feud.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 03/15/06 at 15:38:48

On 03/15/06 at 07:38:34, Rick Garrard wrote:Internet posters that only point out negatives and not positives of the shows they watch make me embarassed to be a fan.
Well the only really good stuff WWE is putting is on Smackdown. There's really few and far between good ideas on RAW or even good storylines to keep anyone interested.

The John Cena/HHH WrestleMania match would be a poor choice to run as the main event. Considering it's in Chicago, get ready for Cena to receive Brock Lesnar/Goldberg like reactions.
91Posted on 03/15/06 at 19:12:45

That fan was right - he was INCREDIBLY witty, way more than Cornette, like when he told Cornette he sucked and everyone fell about laughing like it was the funniest line ever. And when he said Cornette was ugly and his wife was fat, that was brilliant.

In other news, Mr. Kettle was attacked today by Captain Pot and told he was black.

Seriously, if they're going to rag on someone like that, they should come up with something clever or funny or intellectually stimulating.
TiLoBrownPosted on 03/15/06 at 20:27:57

On 03/15/06 at 19:12:45, 91 wrote:

In other news, Mr. Kettle was attacked today by Captain Pot and told he was black.

LMAO. That has to be one of the best ways I've seen that said.
AnubisPosted on 03/15/06 at 23:57:35

Holy shit . . . Damn, and you guys thinkg I'm bad?  Good grief . . . At least I have real reasons (be they moral or creative) to hate Vince McMahon and WWE!

I just watched that thing in full, and I am befuddled by the ignorance.  I have no idea why it surprises me, but it does.  Don't these morons realize that the whole "war" is an angle?  Don't they realize that ROH is about ten times bigger (an exaggeration, but you know what I mean) than them in both attendance and sales?  Do they even realize, when saying ROH has no talent, that a several people on their own roster are ROH alumni, including Iron Man Champ Kevin Steen?

Good grief, if you look up "dumbass" in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of that guy right there!

No talent in ROH?  Are you kidding me?  Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Steve Corino, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, Alex Shelley, Homicide . . . Yeah, no talent there . . . Heck, I only listed the guys I've actually seen, and there are several others I've heard about that I haven't seen yet!  Now about CZW?  What talent do they have?  Chris Hero and . . . ROH alumni.  That's all I could see, at least.  Please.  Hahaha!

In all seriousness, though, someone needs to tell these morons that it's all an angle.  Then they need to tell that guy he sucks on the mic.  Maybe WWE can do something with him, hahaha.
H8-SuperstarPosted on 03/16/06 at 11:31:37

CZW have to fly/get bunch of guys to make up as the roster from IWA-MS, IWS, and occasionally ultimate badass Super motherfuckin'' Dragon.
AnubisPosted on 03/16/06 at 12:36:10

CZW strikes me as an ECW wannabe who leeches talent from other promotions.
rey619Posted on 03/16/06 at 13:57:57

Very few Indy promotions have workers that are "theirs" so to speak, simply because no Indy worker can afford to just stay in one promotion. Bear in mind that CZW has been around for 7 years (which is 3 years longer than RoH), so they have created a lot of hardcore stars, such as Wifebeater, NecroButcher, Ruckus, B-Boy, Niles Young etc. Kevin Steen is a mainstay in both IWS and CZW.. just because he's had a few ROH matches doesn't mean he's an ROH wrestler.

Personally, I think this stupid mofo is a Gabe Sapolsky plant to bring more bad heat on CZW.

Reportedly, there were at least as many CZW fans as ROH fans at the double header, so I think you're a bit off there Anubis. ROH is bigger than CZW, but not by far. The gap is a lot bigger between TNA and WWE than it is between CZW and ROH.
CrplsPosted on 03/16/06 at 17:40:14

CZW didn't create B-Boy, he's a SoCal guy and not really "hardcore" per se. He's mostly just fucking awesome.

As I said in another thread, CZW was pretty awesome during 2002 and into early 2003, but then it just sorta went downhill. Zandig sucks.
UnrightPosted on 03/16/06 at 20:28:40

Eh.. Anyone who is a fan of an indy fed (like ROH and CZW) is obviously a bit more of a fanatic than Johnny WWEwatcher. They devote more time/money into supporting their fed, so they are going to be more protective of it.

Despite the juvenile nature of their "shoot", I think those CZW fans think it's pretty awesome that Cornette's "shooting" on them (albeit indirectly). Yeah, the "war" betweeen ROH and CZW is an angle and it's benefiting both feds pretty well. Having fans go out and hype your fed out of sheer loyalty is like free publicity to both feds.

H8-SuperstarPosted on 03/16/06 at 22:24:28

I lost interest in CZW when I watched Cage of Death 5. The event was overpraised then when I watch the show I keep going, "Something is wrong with this show but I can't lay a finger on it."   I heard Messiah is back on Zandig's good side and back in CZW. They can have him. CZW is the reason why no one books Messiah anymore in SoCal and its more than forgetting his "roots."  B-Boy honed his stuff at UPW, WPW, Empire and defunct MPW.
AnubisPosted on 03/16/06 at 23:13:40

On 03/16/06 at 13:57:57, rey619 wrote:Personally, I think this stupid mofo is a Gabe Sapolsky plant to bring more bad heat on CZW.
Actually, for a split second I actually thoguht that as well.  Then I remembered that people, by nature, are usually stupid.  You could be right, though, I'll give you that.  If so, then that would turn this from a bunch of dumb kids talking shit to a brilliant piece of an awesome angle.

On 03/16/06 at 13:57:57, rey619 wrote:Reportedly, there were at least as many CZW fans as ROH fans at the double header, so I think you're a bit off there Anubis. ROH is bigger than CZW, but not by far. The gap is a lot bigger between TNA and WWE than it is between CZW and ROH.
Don't forget they were in CZW's backyard, though.  ROH has more national pretige.  In TEW terms, I'd say ROH is a Cult promotion while CZW is Regional.  Or maybe ROH Regional and CZW Small.  Either way, I've heard a lot more praise for ROH than I have for CZW.  In fact, looking around the net, the only praise I usually see for CZW is for Chris Hero, and most people then go on to say his talent is wasted in a Hardcore promotion like CZW.  CZW's fans seem to be ECW orphans with no hardcore wrestling to watch anymore.  More robotic than the WWE marks even.

I hope I'm wrong, though, because that would mean this is the best angle in a long freaking time.  If ROH and CZW were bigger, it could be "the" angle to turn the industry around.

If only they could get national exposure for this feud somehow . . . I think I would have some good ideas for making it happen, but unfortunately, I doubt Sapolsky would give me the time of day.
rey619Posted on 03/16/06 at 23:30:59

Not that it really counts as anything, but in TEW 2005, both promotions are Regional.

RoH is bigger than CZW, no doubt, and the quality is vastly superior. That being said, CZW is not always about garbage wrestling. I'm watching the 01.14 show where Danielson appeared, and there isn't even a single blade job in the first half of the show.

Note that I think there's a difference between garbage and hardcore wrestling. Harcore is the type of wrestling where you brawl (mostly on the outside), hitting each other with trashcans, sticks, chairs.. maybe putting each other through tables... like matches with Rhino, Abyss and the Dudleyz. While not my favorite style, it's watchable, and some matches may even be quite entertaining.

Garbage on the other hand is when skinny teenagers thinks it's good wrestling to hit each other with light bulbs, walk barefoot on thumbtacks and attack each other with weed-whackers. That's definetely not my style of wrestling. Why stop with a weed-whacker? Why not just bring out a machete (not the wrestler) and chop off someone's head.

But by all means, every wrestling fan is entitled to watch whatever wrestling style he likes.

The only small problem I have with the ROH vs CZW feud is that I think it's unlikely that the CZW wrestlers can hang with the ROH boys. I mean, Chris Hero and Claudio Castagnoli are probably the best wrestlers in CZW, and Claudio is no more than a midcarder in ROH, and while I think Hero is an OK wrestler, there is probably a dozen ROH guys that is better than him.
Rick GarrardPosted on 03/17/06 at 04:22:17

Having fans go out and hype your fed out of sheer loyalty is like free publicity to both feds.
That's the idea of the indies having a so called "Street Team" They give them a couple of free tickets in return for them hyping their events all over town. Even ECW used to it... and I'd be willing to bet that both Michael Johnson and Gabe Sapolsky were on the ECW street team.

Edit:  It's hard to call RoH a "regional" nowadays with their trips to Ohio and Illinois, when to be a regional, you kinda have to stay in one region of the country, unless they've changed the geography of the country on this trusty map I have.
AnubisPosted on 03/17/06 at 06:22:10

That's about a good way to explain it for sure. I have an even better way, though.

Hardcore: ECW

Garbage: New Jack, but with everyone doing it (as opposed to it being a gimmick like New Jack's ECW run)

P.S. I have no problem with garbage wrestling, as long as it's not the norm.  I loved New Jack, he was cool.  The only style I hate is the "hoss" style of "I'll just crush you because I'm bigger than you" crap.
ZedjaPosted on 03/17/06 at 08:58:22

New Jack cool??? The guy stabbed another wrestler. I don't find that cool at all.
91Posted on 03/17/06 at 19:47:25

The Mass Transit incident? Despite all the homicides and stuff, I don't actually blame New Jack for that, the kid shouldn't have been in the ring plain and simple.

I saw a documentary last night on Tony Martin who was a farmer in this country that was jailed for shooting dead an intruder in his house. My feelings on both incidents are pretty much the same - it was a bit harsh but if the intruder didn't want shooting, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Besides, New Jack said he flinched, and you can kind of see it on the tape.
Psymin1Posted on 03/17/06 at 19:52:53

Where can you see the tape?  I found a clip of it with the Steel Chair Leg Drop from the Top Rope, but that is all the clip shows.  Is there anyway to see the whole match?


~Branden
Snabbit888Posted on 03/17/06 at 19:55:39

Yeah, that kid kinda got what he deserved.  Sure, perhaps Heyman should have taken a bit more time to verify the kid's age, but the kid lied to get in the ring, and then realized he was way over his head.  He ASKED New Jack to blade him, and then he flinched when he did it.  If you climb over the fence into the lion's den, you can't be surprised when the lion eats you.
91Posted on 03/17/06 at 20:05:23

On 03/17/06 at 19:52:53, Psymin1 wrote:Where can you see the tape? I found a clip of it with the Steel Chair Leg Drop from the Top Rope, but that is all the clip shows. Is there anyway to see the whole match?


~Branden
I saw it on Youtube one time. If it's still on there, then there you go. For the record, blood wasn't spraying into the crowd like some of the reports I've read have suggested, but upon the camera going up close, you can see just a little bit of squirtage.
AnubisPosted on 03/17/06 at 21:57:22

I was about to say . . . I never knew of New Jack actually committing a true violent crime (his recent arrest was pure bullshit after all) . . . I just always loved how he brought pure chaos to the ring, his music would play through the whole match, and he could wrestle and average game, brawl like the best, perform like any spot monkey out there, and then beat people up with weapons.  I wouldn't wanna see it all the freaking time, but as a novelty, it was hella cool.
Psymin1Posted on 03/17/06 at 22:12:03

Thanks 91, it was still on there.  It was a very short match, though.  And it would seem like Mass Transit had to have some sort of training...well, I suppose it could have just been backyard wrestling, because there wasn't really time for any real "wrestling" per-say.    Anyway, it was pretty brutal.  But, you have to admit that they boy had some balls, getting into the ring with New Jack.  Unfortunately, the boy died 5 years later of unrelated causes.  

Who is wrestling as New Jack's tag team partner, anyone know?  



~Branden
ZedjaPosted on 03/17/06 at 22:48:19

It is said that New Jack stabbed the guy 14 times. Once wasn't enough?
Snabbit888Posted on 03/17/06 at 23:29:15

His wrestling experience was against midgets at a carnival, and I believe the partner of New Jack was Mustafa Saed, collectively known as the Gangstas.

And 14 jabs like that in one of New Jack's matches isn't exactly uncommon.
Rick GarrardPosted on 03/18/06 at 01:03:31

The same Mustafa Saed that was also once a jobber to the star Mick Foley on a WCW Saturday Night from Center Stage in Atlanta.  And the same Mustafa Saed that teamed with New Jack and D-Lo Brown to form the Gangstas in Jim Cornette's Smokey Mountain Wrestling before Tod Gordon and Paul Heyman brought them to Philly.
91Posted on 03/18/06 at 01:59:25

On 03/17/06 at 22:48:19, Zedja wrote:It is said that New Jack stabbed the guy 14 times. Once wasn't enough?
Mass Transit was still the intruder who has himself to blame for getting shot on someone elses premises. Despite the fact that he's not exactly got a clean record to say the least (something that often makes juries disregard testamony as probably bullshit), a court of law agreed with New Jack and ECW on this one.

By the way, whilst checking Wikipedia on the above, I noted that apparently after the botched spot with Vic Grimes that caused a lot of controversy several years ago, New Jack suffered brain damage and is blind in one eye. I'd never heard THAT bit before - is that really true?