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| rey619 | Posted on 02/13/06 at 07:47:38 --- no complaints yet from Anubis that Christian Cage won the NWA World Heavyweight Title? |
| Zedja | Posted on 02/13/06 at 08:40:45 I wonder if that was part of the deal when they signed him. None the less I think it was a smart move... Now they can turn Sting heel and have him face Christian. |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/13/06 at 09:37:08 My biggest problem with it is that Christian Cage just doesn't strike me as main event calibur. Let's hope beyond hope that they don't try a Sting heel turn, though, as it would backfire badly. Many have tried and all have failed to successfully push Sting as a heel. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Sting hasn't had a successful heel run since the Blade Runners when he was a midcarder. They tried many times after that like with the Horsemen, the nWo, and then against Hulk Hogan near the end of WCW, but all of those turns failed miserably because no one will buy Sting as a heel. If anything, Jeff Jarrett will likely get the belt back in March with Sting getting his shot in April and carrying it likely until either AJ Styles or Samoa Joe goes to the main event (Samoa Joe most likely) to feud with him. |
| Perverted_Icon | Posted on 02/13/06 at 19:25:36 The Horsemen were faces when Sting was a member. When they kicked Sting out -- he won the right to meet Flair in a title match and wouldn't give it up -- they made a big heel turn. The match on that Clash where Sting interfered and blew out his knee was even against the heel J-Tex Corp., as the Horsemen had only turned earlier in the card. And hold on a second about this Christian thing. I agree with you that they shouldn't really have WWE midcarders as their top guys in TNA, but is that how you really view Christian? Besides from Sting and maybe Samoa Joe, I don't think there is a guy on the TNA roster who would be seen as more of a "top guy" by fans. Aren't you the guy who was advocating Rhino as NWA World Champion a couple of months ago? He's main-event caliber, but Christian isn't? :o |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/13/06 at 21:35:08On 02/13/06 at 19:25:36, Perverted_Icon wrote:The Horsemen were faces when Sting was a member. When they kicked Sting out -- he won the right to meet Flair in a title match and wouldn't give it up -- they made a big heel turn. The match on that Clash where Sting interfered and blew out his knee was even against the heel J-Tex Corp., as the Horsemen had only turned earlier in the card.Really? I thought the Horsemen never went face until the nWo days. Okay then, I guess that means the Blade Runner days are Sting's only semi-successful times as a heel. On 02/13/06 at 19:25:36, Perverted_Icon wrote:And hold on a second about this Christian thing. I agree with you that they shouldn't really have WWE midcarders as their top guys in TNA, but is that how you really view Christian? Besides from Sting and maybe Samoa Joe, I don't think there is a guy on the TNA roster who would be seen as more of a "top guy" by fans.That wasn't me. I hate Rhino. I think he is nowhere near main event calibur. I didn't like when he was on top of ECW and I didn't like him on top of TNA. His ring skills are way below acceptable and he used to sound like the Tazmanian Devil on the mic (not a good thing) although thankfully they (mostly) fixed that part of the problem. Still, no, Rhino should be in the midcard and no higher. If anyone besides Jeff Jarrett (who at least was in the WCW main event) is gonna have the belt, it should be AJ Styles, Sting, or Samoa Joe. Petey Williams would work as well if they worked to elevate him properly through angles as he can get over on his ring ability alone. Monty Brown MAYBE, although I still hate the Pounce. Christian Cage and Rhino, no way. Neither of them have been elevated properly to be able to main event. |
| H8-Superstar | Posted on 02/13/06 at 21:49:49 The belt is useless and devalued to shit. Jarrett didn't defend the damn belt since he won it from Rhino. Hey when you own the company forget the 30 day defend the belt rule you can hold the damn piece of tin all you want. |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/14/06 at 00:27:30 LOL it has more value than the WWE Title at the moment. Jeff Jarrett usually defended at each PPV, but at the last PPV there was the tag team match with Sting so it didn't happen. It's forgivable. The belt has good value because it doesn't changes hands every month and it isn't defended every week (nor should it be, it's a top tier title). Jarrett is ten times the champion John Cena could ever hope to be (and is at least more befitting the main event than Edge). Jarrett may not be the best in the business, but he's quite far from the worst. He knows his psychology for damn sure and he has a good grasp of the basics and he knows how to play the evil heel almost as good as Triple H can. WWE has Triple H, TNA has Jarrett; we could do well without either of them, but at least they don't suck completely. |
| TiLoBrown | Posted on 02/14/06 at 01:20:12On 02/14/06 at 00:27:30, Anubis wrote:LOL it has more value than the WWE Title at the moment. Jeff Jarrett usually defended at each PPV, but at the last PPV there was the tag team match with Sting so it didn't happen. It's forgivable.Besides the whole Edge screw up, Cena held the belt for 10 month, same for Batista. And going on name alone the TNA belt is no where near the level any WWE titles. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 02/14/06 at 01:32:06 Actually Sting was a pretty successful heel teaming with Rick Steiner as a tag team under the managial skill of Missy Hyatt and Eddie Gilbert in Bill Watt's Mid-South/UWF. It was when Crockett bought the UWF that Sting turned face and became the franchise to WCW. Funny thing about Sting blowing out his knee the night he was kicked out of the Horsemen... watch him try to climb the cage... that's when he does it. Also, Sting was never turned heel for the nWo/Hogan feud. It was merely Hogan stealing the spotlight from the only guy that Hogan feared could take his spot as the top dog. |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/14/06 at 06:56:14 Well the announcers tried selling it as a heel turn, and it lasted for about a month before he became the big face again. Bottom line is, I don't think Sting would be a good heel in TNA. Christian should be bumped over to the X-Division, Samoa Joe to the World Division, have Sting beat Jarrett for the belt (Jarrett'll get it back I'm sure, so this is easy enough to pull off), and then feud Joe and Sting for the rest of the year. |
| Zedja | Posted on 02/14/06 at 07:54:58 I think it's sad that WWE never truly acknowledged the amout of people pop-ing for Christian. When they stopped his push right before he moved to TNA must have been the last straw. |
| rey619 | Posted on 02/14/06 at 07:55:40 Christian does not belong in the X-Division.. I haven't seen him do any triple flip jumpsaults lately.. Joe will probably jump to the Heavyweights in the course of the year. The problem with using AJ and Joe in the Heavyweights is that it dilutes the X-Division. In a few months, though, Aries, Strong and Shelley should start making moves towards the X-Division belt. Then, Joe can move on (and maybe AJ as well). Petey Williams? God.. please no.. if we take away the Canadian Destroyer, he's got nothing. |
| Tommy Brownell | Posted on 02/15/06 at 03:48:27 World's Biggest Sting Mark signing in here to clarify...there's some crossed wires regarding Sting's heel and face runs, with some folks thinking they're talking about the same thing. I missed Sting's early Memphis days, but he and Warrior entered Mid-South/UWF as heels under Eddie Gilbert, and Sting remained a heel until UWF's final days, when he was attacked from behind by Terry Taylor and busted open (one of the few Sting blade jobs I can remember). He remained a face from then on, teasing a heel turn in the early months of the nWo angle, with the fake Sting and all, and began babyfaces who publicly badmouthed or doubted him. He "joined" the nWo for a few weeks in March '97, but this was all a ruse as he completely decimated the core nWo (Hogan, Hall, Nash & Savage) three weeks later at Uncensored. From there, he was a stalwart babyface again. The Wolf-Pac were the "face" nWo, and they didn't turn heel and rejoin the Hollywood nWo until January '99, while Sting was out finding God. When he came back, no mention of his nWo ties were made, and he played the heroic black and white Sting again until September '99, where he embarked on his first true heel turn, laying waste to Hogan with a baseball bat at Fall Brawl...though the fans actually popped each time he nailed Hogan. The next night, in Charlotte, he tried to cement the heel turn cutting a promo on Flair, but even in Flair Country he only got a mixed reaction at best. His heel turn limped along until WCW Mayhem in November, where he lost to Bret Hart in the WCW World Title tournament, but they hugged afterwards, and Sting remained a face until WCW's demise. Since then, nary a hint of a heel turn in his few appearances. Sting wants this TNA run to be his way of saying "goodbye", so I think a heel turn would be silly...jobbing out to Samoa Joe? That works. A feud with Christian? Silly. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 02/15/06 at 03:57:24 actually jobbing out to Scott D'Amore, Shane Douglas and Larry Z would be a lot funnier... perhaps even giving Don West a TNA win over Sting should be in cards. ;) |