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TNA/ROH relationship on the mend?
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 12/20/04 at 23:04:07Ring Of Honor is very pleased to announce that "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles will return to ROH for a very special appearance on February 25th in Dayton, Ohio. Styles has been following ROH and has requested to return for a match against his former protege Jimmy Rave. Styles is very angry at Rave for his recent actions since joining The Embassy and is returning to ROH for one reason- to get a singles match vs. Rave. We have no comments from The Embassy at press time.Source: ROH Head Booker Gabe Sapolsky It's been approximately 9 months since TNA took Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles off of Ring of Honor shows, and from the look of things this is the first sign that the relationship between the two promotions may be on the mend. While Gabe stresses that this is a one night only appearance and may not ever happen again, it is nevertheless an encouraging sign. One appearance being allowed is one more than none, after all. And it potentially opens the door for more in the future. While I think that ROH will think twice before putting one of their titles on someone under TNA contract again, it's good to see the two promotions apparently on speaking terms again. This makes me wonder, though... The ROH crowds are notoriously anti-TNA because of TNA's actions, but AJ Styles is very popular... How is the crowd going to react? Will the crowd see him as a returning babyface taking on the arrogant man who has stolen his finisher, or a heel for "selling out?" Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Captain Tagon | Posted on 12/20/04 at 23:28:52 Well, TNA is already letting Shelley work RoH shows regularly. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 12/20/04 at 23:42:06 I'm actually not sure that Alex Shelley has the same sort of longterm written contract that AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, and Chris Sabin have in TNA. So I'm not sure if they could forbid him to work ROH shows under his current contract with them. Shelley is much further down the card in TNA than Daniels and Styles, after all. But you are correct in saying that TNA hasn't taken steps to try to prevent Shelley from working ROH shows. I suppose that could be considered an unspoken truce of sorts which led into this new situation. Here's hoping that TNA and ROH continue to work together in the future, because honestly I think it'd be good for both companies. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 12/21/04 at 03:14:23 Shelley does have contract with TNA and he did have to miss some ROH shows a couple months ago because he had to work a fanfest for Victory Road (I believe) and this was on his LiveJournal, so it's safe to say it's accurate information. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 12/21/04 at 04:55:25 Thanks for the clarification. That's besides the point, however. The main point is that AJ Styles is coming back to ROH, which is something that many ROH fans never believed would happen while TNA was in business. The fact that Styles (One of TNA's top names) is being allowed to make a return to ROH tells me that things would seem to be on the mend. Of course, as a ROH fan, the guy I really want to see back is Christopher Daniels. TNA can have Styles. Let ROH book Daniels whenever they like and I'll call it even. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Captain Tagon | Posted on 12/21/04 at 05:10:15 I think I'd take Styles over Daniels, but it is a tough choice. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 12/21/04 at 05:38:28 For sheer workrate, Styles is a hair above Daniels, I think. I'd pick Daniels for ROH because there's so much history there. Christopher Daniels was the number one heel in the company from the first ever ROH show, he can work excellent matches in a variety of styles (no pun intended), plus he's got boatloads of charisma and great mic skills. From the beginning, the company was built around Daniels. Styles was also a mainstay, but his role was lesser through most of ROH's history - basically he had good matches with everyone and got the crowd behind himself. Obviously that's important, but it's a bit lesser than the role Daniels played. So... yeah. I think Daniels would be more valuable to ROH, if only for storyline reasons. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| SuperstarJimiC | Posted on 01/06/05 at 00:09:00 From what I read on www.rohwrestling.com, The RING OF HONOR website. AJ Styles will be making a special appearance with Ring of Honor in Dayton, OH on February 25, 2005 when AJ will wrestle his former protege (now a heel), Jimmy Rave. What do you think of that? |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 01/06/05 at 00:25:43On 01/06/05 at 00:09:00, SuperstarJimiC wrote:From what I read on www.rohwrestling.com, The RING OF HONOR website. AJ Styles will be making a special appearance with Ring of Honor in Dayton, OH on February 25, 2005 when AJ will wrestle his former protege (now a heel), Jimmy Rave. What do you think of that?Did you even read the first message of this topic? |
| SuperstarJimiC | Posted on 01/06/05 at 00:30:16 I didn't notice it until now, immatter of fact, that article is similar to the one on the ROH site. I still can't believe that Jimmy Rave is now wrestling as a heel. Just months ago, he was on TNA Impact. Now that's a promotion that should have a PPV, what do you think. |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 01/06/05 at 00:41:30On 01/06/05 at 00:30:16, SuperstarJimiC wrote:I didn't notice it until now, immatter of fact, that article is similar to the one on the ROH site. I still can't believe that Jimmy Rave is now wrestling as a heel. Just months ago, he was on TNA Impact. Now that's a promotion that should have a PPV, what do you think.*blink, blink* Simply stunning. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 01/06/05 at 01:53:53 TNA *should* be on PPV? Their ENTIRE first year was PPV only! And most of year 2 was as well. IT was only in late 2005 when they moved from Nashville to Orlando when they went to having the And if TNA wasn't on PPV, then I was wrongly billed on numerous occasions during 2003. And the reason the quote looks similar to the one from the ROH site is because it's the *EXACT* same one... as Gabe Sapolsky is the head booker for ROH. What do YOU think?.... {waits like the Rock... as everyone KNOWS what's coming next....wait.... wait... } IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK! Cause if you would have thunk, I wouldn't have been replying to this thread in the first place. Merry Christmas, Happy Hannaukah, Happy Kwwaazzaa (WWE Faarrooqq spelling for it), Feliz Navidad, Bon Apetit, Auf Weidersein, Das Vadanya, Kimchee and Happy New Year. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 01/06/05 at 02:50:19 ... I do believe I'm speechless. Er... that is to say... ... Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Captain Tagon | Posted on 01/07/05 at 06:59:11 It's okay Superstar, I thought your post was funny. And I'm at least 95% sure you weren't serious. |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 01/07/05 at 07:12:02On 01/07/05 at 06:59:11, Captain Tagon wrote:It's okay Superstar, I thought your post was funny. And I'm at least 95% sure you weren't serious.It's that 5% that'll come back to bite you. :) |
| 91 | Posted on 01/07/05 at 20:14:27On 01/06/05 at 01:53:53, Rick Garrard wrote:Merry Christmas, Happy Hannaukah, Happy Kwwaazzaa (WWE Faarrooqq spelling for it), Feliz Navidad, Bon Apetit, Auf Weidersein, Das Vadanya, Kimchee and Happy New Year.And a solemn, dignified Ramadan. |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/12/05 at 05:29:34 Oh my god this thread has the taint of "91 is a bitch" on it now. |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 05:40:32 Anubis, if you're going to engage in some flame war to make yourself feel better, at least keep it compressed in one thread. No need in bringing it into a thread which was last updated on January 6th just to call him a bitch. That's just ridiculous. In your words, it's the equivilence of giving 91 the Pounce. |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/12/05 at 05:46:27 He's frail enough he'd go down to that stupid move, too. I love Monty Brown but good grief let's get a good finisher, although that double bounce pounce was admittedly nice. I just don't wanna become what he is: a liar. I said I'd flame him everywhere I saw him until he apologized in full for making up lies about me and dissing me, and I'd look like a gimpy "all talk and no walk" bitch if I ever backed down (although I won't be prowling the boards every day looking for it either because I have a life). I will never ever lie like that or let myself be walked all over. I just can't do it. People tried way back in school and those guys got beat up for it; can't beat people up now as an adult because of the law (unfortunately) and certainly unable to do so over the internet, so words are all I have left to defend myself with. Then again . . . Hmmm . . . Snabbit, thank you, I came up with a great idea. |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 05:48:46 Just saying, you're going to look gimpy when you're unable to "back up your words" when you get banned, because you might think you're on some moral crusade, but I don't think many if any one else on the forums are gonna see it your way, so you'd have a better chance at just letting it go. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 02/12/05 at 05:56:48On 02/12/05 at 05:46:27, Anubis wrote:He's frail enough he'd go down to that stupid move, too.Anubis, if Monty pounced you you'd go down too, we probably all would... unless one of us weighed like... 600 pounds... or were made of stone... or some cool space metal. I just don't wanna become what he is: a liar. I said I'd flame him everywhere I saw him until he apologized in full for making up lies about me and dissing me, and I'd look like a gimpy "all talk and no walk" bitch if I ever backed downSeriously, for the love of god don't skank up every thread 91 has posted in with flaming. That'd be sad. Don't be that guy Anubis. I will never ever lie like that or let myself be walked all over. I just can't do it. People tried way back in school and those guys got beat up for it; can't beat people up now as an adult because of the law (unfortunately) and certainly unable to do so over the internet, so words are all I have left to defend myself with.There's a difference between not letting people walk all over you (which personally I don't think anyone was) and beating everyone you don't like up. If you honestly don't realize that, all internet personas aside, I seriously, seriously feel sorry for you. Then again . . . Hmmm . . . Snabbit, thank you, I came up with a great idea.Great, way to go Ryan! *pie-face* :) |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/12/05 at 06:06:32On 02/12/05 at 05:48:46, Snabbit888 wrote:Just saying, you're going to look gimpy when you're unable to "back up your words" when you get banned, because you might think you're on some moral crusade, but I don't think many if any one else on the forums are gonna see it your way, so you'd have a better chance at just letting it go.He started it. The moderators don't seem to care, so I figured I'd deal with it myself. I don't go crying to the people in charge just because people pick on me. No, I, for lack of a better word, pounce. Now if you can extract an apology from him I will gladly shut up about it. Either way, he owes it to me. No one, and I mean no one gets away with lying about me, dissing me, and making light of my family in any which way. If I got banned it would just show this place wasn't worthy of my time to begin with. I don't give a flying fuck really. I will do whatever I like in retaliation to him until the forums prove unworthy of my time or he apologizes, whichever comes first. I do have a question, though, Snabbit. Why would anyone take that jackasses side over mine after the shit he's pulled with me? Is there some brainwashing involved perhaps? That's the only thing I can think of that would make people side with a liar over an pissed off but honest poster (whether you like my ideas and thoughts on wrestling or not; those are unimportant after all, seeing as no one cares what any of US think). To wit, he made this personal. I never have dropped anything like that before and I don't intend to start now, although I may be persuaded to contain it to one spot since you asked politely. |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 06:06:47 *blades ala Eddie Guerrero from Judgment Day* |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 06:11:26On 02/12/05 at 06:06:32, Anubis wrote:Because even if we do or don't agree with 91 on this, him saying things that rub us the wrong way is the exception, not the rule. You, on the other hand, haven't made a whole lot of friends here (and I'm sure you'll be the first to agree). And the only reason the moderators haven't done/said anything is because 1) Oliver doesn't have time to check any forums than Help and Discussion forums (at least that's what I gather) and 2) TiLoBrown hasn't been seen in ages. So I don't think it's a matter of not caring... it's a matter of being unaware. |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/12/05 at 06:28:21 Well if people don't like me because I have strong thoughts on wrestling, that's really sad. I know I don't judge people on their thoughts on a fictional work. This isn't a political issue after all. I know I'm argumentative, but debate is debate, as I know it. It's sad that so many people today don't like others just because of their way of thinking. Really sad. I know you and I never really agree on much, Snabbit, but I don't dislike you, I have respect for you. I thought it went all ways. Honestly I thought 91 and amaricanmamushi were the only ones with a problem with me. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 02/12/05 at 06:49:52 lol, dude, how can you think say that I of all people have a problem with you and Snabbit doesn't? :) poppycock I say. I don't agree with you, but I don't like hate you or anything. I mean, I think you could carry yourself better on the boards and all, but still. It boggles my mind that you'd think that I'd have that big a problem with you but Snabbit doesn't. :P You gotta understand that when i'd rib you before it was good natured. I probably don't dislike you as much as it seems 91 does, but certainly my thoughts of you are no worse than Snabbit888's |
| AllPowerfulGARTH | Posted on 02/12/05 at 09:25:51 Hooooookay. Here's the thing. For those of you who aren't aware of it, this is an Internet message board. Internet message boards have good qualities and bad qualities, but one of the most notorious qualities of many an online message board is the fact that, from time to time, there will be arguments. There will be disagreements. And often, things will be said that inflame tempers. Now, what separates an online message board from, say, a face-to-face encounter is the fact that on an online message board, you don't really know the person you're talking to and will likely never encounter them. You will never see this person in the flesh. You will never exchange spoken words with this person. You will never even talk to this person on the phone. You will never learn where this person lives. In fact, you will probably never even know what this person looks like. My point? ARGUMENTS. ONLINE. ARE. FRIVOLOUS. To say, hypothetically speaking, that you will start a "flame war" (a term that fills me with the deepest sadness and pity) with someone who insulted you online is taking overreaction to absurd levels. If one is really so adamant about one's principles that one will NEVER EVER EVER take an insult lying down, no matter how unimportant it may be in the grand scheme of things, one really should not prowl online message boards, because inevitably, one will end up with more enemies than one can count. That is the nature of the online message board. Even the most sophisticated of online communities (ThinkAttack.com comes to mind) is capable of developing ridiculous rivalries and vicious insults, and with no effective method of procuring an apology, the only real way to recover from an insult is to be a man (or woman, as the case may be) and GET OVER IT. Now, honestly, I don't even remember how this argument got started. But a "flame war" is not going to end it. It is only going to get this online community to dislike the person escalating the "flame war" even more than it already does. And I really fail to see how that would solve anything. Certain parties just need to let it go. Ya dig? WALK. IT. OFF. And by the way, without trying to lend any credence to any theories that I would have no hope of proving, it is probably worth mentioning that I also frequent certain message boards on GameFAQs.com, and roughly 98% of all "flame wars" there are initiated by 13-year-olds. So if one is intending to prove that he is NOT lying when he talks about his family life, one probably should not act like a 13-year-old. Just a pointer. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 02/12/05 at 14:13:50 I'm not a mod on this section of the forums, but KNOCK IT OFF. I say this cause: a) moderator TiLoBrown rarely if ever comes here at all b) moderator Oliver Copp is too busy to read everything, and primarily stays within the "Help" section to post these days c) you don't want to be considered the "New" CCoey around here d) if you have such a BIG problem with someone, take it to email instead of a public flame war |
| Justin | Posted on 02/12/05 at 14:24:50It's sad that so many people today don't like others just because of their way of thinking. Really sad.I hate to add fuel to this but would you rather people not like eachother for the way they look? |
| rey619 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 17:51:30 I say we petition for new moderators on the board. Not because I am desperate to see someone ban Anubis or something, but because Oliver doesn't have the time, and TiLoBrown has been pounced off the face of the earth. I mean, what is the point about a ban threat when it's not going to be enforced anyway? There's political debates going on in the WWE forum and threads are posted in the wrong forum every now and then. I am sure the likes of Snabbit, Critic, Rick, Mushi and others wouldn't mind moderating a couple of boards ? |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 02/12/05 at 23:20:22 I wouldn't mind moderating the boards. Given the low volume of posts per day and the fact that I already read most of what's posted, I doubt it'd take any significant amount of time. So looking at this in an impartial manner, with all due respect, I think it would be best if you chilled the fuck out, Anubis. You can't "win" an internet flame war - it's virtually impossible. All you can do is shout at each other and ruin the message board experience for everyone else, plus waste the bandwidth that Oliver pays for out of pocket on petty arguments that never go anywhere and leave both people feeling pissed off. Yes, 91 was probably out of line when he mentioned your wife. He shouldn't have gone there, and I'm going to send him a private message asking him to knock it. But 90+% of people would deal with that sort of obvious attempt at trolling them by basically rolling their eyes and saying "Whatever dude." Because if you're speaking the truth, why does it matter if a random person on the internet doesn't believe you, especially when launching into an angry rant is, in all liklihood, exactly what he wanted. As the saying goes, "Don't feed the trolls." ... Well, unless it's jokes about Goldberg and RVD and the like. That's kinda funny. ;D Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| rey619 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 23:34:04On 02/12/05 at 23:20:22, Critic of the Dawn wrote:I actually read a quote at another message board that was quite funny.. it's a little offensive as well, but what the heck.. let me see if I can quote it perfectly.. 'Having an argument on the Internet is like participating in the Special olympics.. even if you win, you're still a retard' |
| Snabbit888 | Posted on 02/12/05 at 23:39:55 On the same token with Eric, I also wouldn't mind being a moderator on the boards. I frequent the boards often enough that everything gets read, and honestly, I don't anticipate their being a huge need for mine (or Eric's, or whoever's) services because up until recently, everything has been ambicable on these forums. I'm confident the stuff with Anubis and 91 will blow over, and all will be merry in TNM Land again. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 02/12/05 at 23:57:57 what do the last 12 or so replies in this thread have to do with the topic of TNA/ROH relationship on the mend? Someone REALLY needs to CLOSE this thread. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 02/13/05 at 00:17:13 I'd be willing to be a mod. I think, like CotD and Snabbyton, I'm on the boards enough and read pretty much all the posts except for some of the help posts abuot technical issues and I don't usually read every new circuit that pops up And don't worry Anubis, if I did happen to become one I wouldn't ban you. I don't have some hidden agenda to get rid of you, lol ;) 'Having an argument on the Internet is like participating in the Special olympics.. even if you win, you're still a retard'That. Is. GREAT! :D Someone REALLY needs to CLOSE this thread.Hmmm... on topic eh? Well... with Valentines day coming up, maybe TNA should try taking ROH out on a nice romantic dinner. You know, some flowers, chocolates, maybe catch a flick down at the local multiplex. A little sorry and a slow dance to a Chicago tune can go a long way ;D |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 02/13/05 at 00:59:55 Bah. You know if TNA tried that, they'd just end up ruining the whole thing by trying to cop a feel, leaving ROH with no recourse but to slap them and shout "Fresh!" Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| Anubis | Posted on 02/15/05 at 02:37:48 I dunno, it's hard to trust you americanmamushi when you constantly troll me with anti-Goldberg crap. If you're qualified to be a moderater then so am I. (At least I don't start shit, I only go overboard when people come after me.) As fow why it bothers me, it's because I have a short fuse and low tolerance for assholes, simple as that. When they make it personal, I seriously can't help myself. I got picked on through school because I played video games instead of football, and I came to a point where I'll go after anyone and everyone who slights me to a real degree. As I said before, it's not right to dislike someone just becasue they aren't a carbon copy of you. My only rule is don't insult me or provoke me and we get along just fine, even in a debate. |
| americamamushi | Posted on 02/15/05 at 04:41:52I dunno, it's hard to trust you americanmamushi when you constantly troll me with anti-Goldberg crap.But Anubis, I don't troll you with anti-goldberg crap. I'm an equal opportunity goldberg basher ;) I'm not doing it to be mean or anything, I'm just joking around. If it's in a thread that you've been posting in too it's purely a coincidence. Oh, by the way, Keiji Muto is my favorite wrestler, if it makes you feel better to bash on him it's fine by me :D But like I said, any joke on Goldberg I post in a thread where you've posted in purely a coincidence. If you're qualified to be a moderater then so am I.No offense meant, but I'm not sure many people would vote for you to be a mod at the moment. I'm not saying anyone would vote for me, I'm just saying that I think some might vote against you. ... But to be on topic, TNA and ROH should sooooo make out. |
| Rick Garrard | Posted on 02/15/05 at 05:22:00 okay... Anubis... stop fanning the flames of this thread. Mamushi... DON'T reply to him. 91... you've done rather well not replying back to this yet again... And Ryan... don't pie face any of the above or me for jumping in. |
| AllPowerfulGARTH | Posted on 02/15/05 at 08:12:17 Rick didn't say anything about me replying! Uh...but I don't really have anything to add. Except that, Anubis, I've played video games instead of football my whole life too, and I'm about the friendliest person in the world (though I'm prone to frequent bouts of sarcasm). Just sayin'. |
| Crpls | Posted on 02/15/05 at 10:55:47As fow why it bothers me, it's because I have a short fuse and low tolerance for assholes, simple as that. When they make it personal, I seriously can't help myself. I got picked on through school because I played video games instead of football, and I came to a point where I'll go after anyone and everyone who slights me to a real degree.QUICK! GET A CAMERA! HE'S SHOOTING! |
| H8-Superstar | Posted on 02/26/05 at 09:31:05 Man what a frickin' retard! Check if that faggot is pretty boy queer Chris Coey. ;D |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 02/26/05 at 16:52:54On 02/26/05 at 09:31:05, H8-Superstar wrote:Man what a frickin' retard! Check if that faggot is pretty boy queer Chris Coey. ;D Please guys - end the flame war. This has always been a positive place and it should stay that way.The whole thing was stupid. It's done now. The dead horse has been sufficiently beaten. Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |
| H8-Superstar | Posted on 02/26/05 at 20:37:19 I'm being sarcastic man. |
| Critic of the Dawn | Posted on 03/11/05 at 17:38:53 Back on topic: Christopher Daniels and A.J. Styles have both indicated on their official websites that they will be returning to ROH in June. Their scheduals were recently updated to include several ROH dates beginning with the Jun. 19 event, which is listed as taking place in New Jersey. Both men have several dates listed from June through December for ROH. While there has been no official word from ROH on the return of Styles and Daniels, the listing of these dates on their official websites is a sign of the imminant return of both men to ROH. You can access these scheduals by visiting stylesclash.com and Christopher Daniels.com.Source: PWTorch These dates have since been removed from Styles' and Daniels' official sites, and a man claiming to be the webmaster of both has showed up online, first claiming that he wasn't sure if he was supposed to have put them online or not, then stating that they were incorrect and had been removed. From the looks of things, it looks like Mr. Webmaster accidentally let the cat out of the bag before ROH was ready for it. All I can say about this is WOOOOOOOOO! Eric "Critic of the Dawn" |