On 08/07/04 at 05:55:13, Anubis wrote:I would walk out if I was told to lay down to that stupid move.

On 08/09/04 at 22:30:47, Snabbit888 wrote:I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about, and just because my views aren't what the typical internet "smark" views are, you know, WWE sucks, Triple H is holding everyone down, RVD is God, ROH is so much better, yadda, yadda, yadda, that doesn't mean I'm brainwashed and it doesn't mean what I say is automatically invalid. Jesus Christ.

On 08/09/04 at 22:30:47, Snabbit888 wrote:You got attacked? You yell at anyone who doesn't think RVD's trampoline act isn't the best thing going today. You say that all WWE angles suck like it's a fact. It's called an opinion. I'd rather watch a "sucky" WWE angle than watch most puro stuff. It's not worse; it's just different.

Yes, the Rock Bottom is a good finisher. But more often than not, when The Rock has ever pinned anyone with the People's Elbow, it was directly AFTER hitting the Rock Bottom.

And don't threat me with what I'm gonna like or not gonna like. You come in here and stir trouble with everyone for their views, basically call people idiots if they don't think TNA's women are a billion times better than A-Train (which they're not, by the way), and then when the tables get turned on you, you're suddenly offended. You need to pump the brakes and re-evaluate how you talk to people around here. You want your opinions to be respected, try respecting other's opinions.

And yes, I do like WWE, but don't assume that just because I happen to enjoy WWE and think they're the top promotion that I'm some uneducated, uninformed jackass. I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about, and just because my views aren't what the typical internet "smark" views are, you know, WWE sucks, Triple H is holding everyone down, RVD is God, ROH is so much better, yadda, yadda, yadda, that doesn't mean I'm brainwashed and it doesn't mean what I say is automatically invalid. Jesus Christ.

On 08/10/04 at 02:37:06, Anubis wrote:

You see, here's the difference: I may have been bashing WWE and saying certain things about specific wrestlers and styles, but I have NOT called any of the posters here any names or put anyone here down. Their opinions? A little bit, yeah. Different styles? Yep. WWE? Damn skippy. I have not gone to personal attacks, though.

So why do I need to re-evaluate how I talk? I haven't made any personal attacks, I've kept it mature.

Then you said, and I quote: "But don't fucking tell me that my opinions are garbage because they don't match up with yours, you elitist douchebag."

I think you're the one who needs to re-evaluate how you speak to people. I didn't call you names. Bashing opinions is one thing, bashing the person is another. You're the one who started it, not me. I brought up points that some would agree with and others would not agree with, and you say that's "stirring up trouble"? Again, I never threw even one insult toward any poster here; that was you who did that.

So why don't you do some re-evaluating? I've kept it mature and kept the discussion toward thoughts and stuff, you're the one who made it personal, and I won't tolerate it, PERIOD.

On 08/10/04 at 14:20:04, 91 wrote:What's so unrealistic about the Peoples Elbow? That always follows up a Rock Bottom or a spinebuster, moves that you could realistically believe would lay an opponent out for a good minute or so. By hitting the Elbow, The Rock is simply rubbing salt into the wound as you'd expect his character to do. The actual move might not be expected to cause much damage, but the prior move clearly did, and that's where the realism steps in.

Easy when you think about it.

On 08/10/04 at 17:07:18, Snabbit888 wrote:You kept it mature by saying that my opinions were, and I quote "garbage"?  Ah... obviously my mistake.  How could I have possibly misinterpretted being told what I think is garbage as some sort of attack on me?

On 08/10/04 at 17:07:18, Snabbit888 wrote:I forgot, I'm talking to the guy who could easily book better than Vince McMahon ever could ebcause he has a wrestling simulator.  My mistake.

*bows down as he slowly backs away, not worthy*

On 08/10/04 at 19:59:38, Anubis wrote:

I couldn't run a company (business-wise) better than Vince, but I damn sure could book angles and matches better than him. (I'm a creative talent, NOT a businessman; that's why I closed the e-fed and started the TNM circuit.)

On 08/11/04 at 03:00:16, americamamushi wrote:Throwing in my 'whats-for'

On this whole subject, I wonder how you will decide whether Anubis 'wins' the challenge (or maybe more accurately, "does well in the challenge"). May I suggest a council that decides how "things are going"? I think that makes sense. Anubis, you have quite a challenge ahead of you, I'm not sure how well it'll go seeing as how in the end, it doesn't matter if you're the best booking in the world or the worst, what matters is how the fans react. You'll have an unfair advantage if you have no fans to work off of since you can just decide who's popular and push worthy. Cause lets face it, if you drop the title on Ric Flair (for the sake of argument) and the fans crap all over the idea of Flair as champion and working an angle with say... I dunno Bastion Booger, but the fans love to hate this new up-and-comer... Captain... ummm... Krunch (With a K to avoid copyright issues ;)) then you'd probably find it in your best interest to have Flair drop the title and have Mr. Booger work a program with Captain Krunch (and his valets, the Krunch Berries :D). Lets face it, theres no point in booking a killer storyline if no one is in the arena to watch it. On the issue of pushes and booking or no booking, it's seems pointless (considering the challenge) to not book the winners. Thats the point of this exersice isn't it? To see your booking skills? Why would you let TNM decide the winners if the Vince doesn't (though sometimes I do wonder ;))

And a question I think Snabbit should consider being that he is the challenger. Should Anubis be allowed to use fantasy wrestlers? I would be inclined to say no, but thats just me. If he can use fantasy wrestlers (say guys that have graduated from the IWF wrestling school) then I think that these should be actually created by someoen else, not Anubis, though Anubis should be able to assign gimmick and tweak character, ect. as he sees fit of course since thats what the booker does. I personally think to make this challenge more realistic Snabbit (and who ever else Snabbit wants, like the council if he used that idea) should take care as many of the variables as they can since thats the kind of thing that real bookers of real federations have to deal with everyday. Just a thought for the sake of making this challenge a little more... realistic and... challenging. Just trying to help ;D

and Anubis... as someone who has seen up close a few of the problems that bookers have (even just in little indy feds that play to 100 people in a small gym)... may god have mercy on your soul ;D

I would be inclined to say no fantasy wrestlers, at least not for a long while.  It's easy to book when you can make up all the variables about the wrestlers yourself.  You need a 6'8" 320 pound powerhouse?  Just make one.  That takes out a lot of the challenge.  So, all real wrestlers until you have it all established well.

The council thing sounds like a good idea, but I don't know how practical it is.  I mean, this is very subjective.  No one can fully say he won or he lost.  I just want to see what he can do.  If people want to comment on his cards and say what they think it better, what's worse, etc., they should feel encouraged.  That's what I plan on doing

Oh, a panel wouldn't be saying if he won or lost, just giving opinions of what it liked and tossing some complications Anubis's way from time to time.

On 08/11/04 at 05:27:25, xsouporherox wrote:The only way I think this could work is if you do use the limited roster idea. All real guys. One show a week.

On 08/11/04 at 05:30:01, americamamushi wrote:I agree with Snabbit. It's not much of a challenge if you aren't going to deal with the real issues that come along with being a booker. It's not just putting matches together and progressing storylines. Being a booker means working around wrestler egos, still with the fans in mind, to give out a product that gives the fans something they want to see while also hopefully not stepping on too many toes in the back to keep your workers happy. If you only to accomplish one and forget about the other you're totally and completely screwed. Also, you say that none of us 'know the business' which is also wrong (or at least probably is) you don't know who out of anyone that has been commenting on this challenge or will be reading and commenting on your cards has had experience in the wrestling industry at least to some degree whether it be first or second hand. Just cause someone doesn't come right out and say "Hey, I'm a wrestler" doesn't mean that their not. I don't think anyone here has been suggesting parameters that are out of the booking and into the business aspects of the sport. You have to remember, some things go hand-in-hand. We're not asking you for event attendence numbers and ticket prices to make sure you have all your workers paid while keeping in mind the cost of arena (and possibly ring) rental while keeping in mind that you may need a little extra money for the next show. However if the fans don't like what they keep seeing show after show with angles, matches, workers ect. then attendence will dwindle and that isn't just a business problem, it's a booker problem. It's the booker's job not just to put together matches and storylines, but to make the fans want to watch. If people stop coming to the shows you'd better damn well change something and fast. Match quality is a booker's problem too. Fans will be more eager to watch two wrestlers that work well together (even if they have low workrates) than to wrestlers who work terribly together (even if they have high workrates). With the charisma issue, yes it could been a tiny problem, but if you make the wrestlers charisma rates known then that's a little different. I don't care how well you right the interview, Brock Lesnar on the mic doesn't make me give a crap. ANd in the end, you never know what the fans will respond to anyway, despite workrates and charisma

On 08/11/04 at 05:37:29, Snabbit888 wrote:This isn't solely about entertaining. You could maybe write some short stories to entertain us.

Sure, we do want to see the quality of what you book. That's a major thing. But you specifically said you could book better than Vince. I'm sure if anyone had unlimited resources to any type of wrestler they wanted (aka a fantasy guy), sure, they could book better than him. I could, you could, etc. What we're asking here though is to see how you deal with some real-life aspects. If you have total free reign over everything, where's the challenge?

On 08/11/04 at 05:44:03, Snabbit888 wrote:I've seen a lot of TNM circuits where someone like Chris Jericho isn't over.

The point I'm still trying to make is you specifically said you could book better than Vince. Using fantasy wrestlers, it just isn't the same. And you do have control of most of the rules here. You're the booker. But if you want to make this comparison to Vince, work under the same circumstances.

1) Isn't the challenge about my ability to entertain with angles I come up with?

2) If not, what challenge are you actually proposing?

Random things don't just happen.

On 08/11/04 at 05:57:50, Snabbit888 wrote:If that's the case, why are you complaining about who you can use? If you want to solely be a booker and writer here, you shouldn't have any control over what wrestlers you want to use period, since the hiring of wrestlers period is the business side.

On 09/10/04 at 22:46:14, Shadow_Maxx wrote:first, you have the legitimate moves. moves that could possibly be used in an actual fight. you've got your ddts, your hurricanranas, your kneedrops, etc etc.

then, you have the moves that require great cooperation from the guy taking the move. your powerbombs, your suplexes, etc.

On 11/01/04 at 00:00:12, Snabbit888 wrote: but don't attack him over something that's been dead for two months.  There are plenty of more current things to attack Anubis about. :)

On 11/18/04 at 22:37:35, Anubis wrote:I DID make a new circuit. The old one had bit the dust. The new circuit starts when IWF actually started in real life, back in 1999. I am trying to prove a point. I'm just doing it on MY terms. I never agreed for others to set rules; truly I had asked for opinions and the such, but then I got blitzed with a dozen different thigns from a dozen different people. Instead of picking out of those, I went with the original concept I'd had in mind from the start. It's pretty simple.

I didn't mess anything up. Not sure where that statement came from. I had a better idea so I ran with it. No way was I gonna agree to some of the stupid rules that were presented. A lot of them overly squashed actual creativity and limited what I could do while also preventing me from using any of the wrestlers that had accumulated in my circuit simply because they weren't real.

What you guys didn't seem to understand is that I'm not interested in the business aspects, or at least I never said I was good at the business aspects. The ONLY thing that should matter is the booking itself. That just wasn't good enough for you guys, so I ignored you all and went with my ideas, which I know work.