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LillaThrillaPosted on 08/09/07 at 03:21:29

Why do refs in Japan count to 20 in English when counting wrestlers out?  And is there any particular reason they count to 20 instead of 10?
CrplsPosted on 08/09/07 at 03:27:28

Because wrestling was adopted from America? I don't know if there's a reason beyond that, but tons of things are done in English/Engrish in Japanese wrestling.
JakePosted on 08/09/07 at 04:48:32

On 08/09/07 at 03:21:29, LillaThrilla wrote:Why do refs in Japan count to 20 in English when counting wrestlers out? And is there any particular reason they count to 20 instead of 10?
So I know what's going on. ;D
Mr. Ken KennedyPosted on 09/23/07 at 03:52:12

They do this in lucha too.
Rick GarrardPosted on 09/23/07 at 03:54:32

I could be wrong, but if not mistaken, they used to count to 20 here in the US too, even in the WWWF. It wasn't until WWWF became the WWF under the TitanSports banner where the 20 turned to a 10 countout for all WWF matches.
Mr. Ken KennedyPosted on 09/23/07 at 04:00:03

On 09/23/07 at 03:54:32, Rick Garrard wrote:I could be wrong, but if not mistaken, they used to count to 20 here in the US too, even in the WWWF. It wasn't until WWWF became the WWF under the TitanSports banner where the 20 turned to a 10 countout for all WWF matches.
I kind of like the 20 countout thing better in some ways. It will cut back on cheap countout finishes. The only drawback is in TNM if you choose that a ref counts to 20, then even Texas Deathmatch type matches will go for a 20 count, and the matches may take forever to end.
pszPosted on 09/23/07 at 04:38:12

I've found that most Japanese refs count to 20 in about the same amount of time a US ref would count to 15 or so.
UnrightPosted on 09/23/07 at 04:50:13

On 09/23/07 at 04:38:12, psz wrote:I've found that most Japanese refs count to 20 in about the same amount of time a US ref would count to 15 or so.
Are we talking the US ref doing some version of this routine:

Ref: 1.... 2.... 3....  Hey you, stay in your corner!
Opponent: I'm just standing here! I'm not doing nuthin'!
Ref: Ok, where was I.. 1... 2... Hey! Don't you go after him!
Opponent: I'm not! I'm just standing here!
Ref: Ok, um.. 1... 2...

etc..
pszPosted on 09/23/07 at 15:06:33

No no, just the space of time between 1 and 2.

In Japan, the count seems to be faster... Closer to a boxing count. Not quite AS fast as boxing, but closer.
C-R-P-L-SPosted on 09/24/07 at 00:23:32


I kind of like the 20 countout thing better in some ways. It will cut back on cheap countout finishes.
Yes, because countouts are SHOOT FINISHES.
Mr. Ken KennedyPosted on 09/24/07 at 02:01:46

So in WWE, if a heel gets DQd or counted out on purpose to keep a title, that's a SHOOT?
The TNM Members ChampPosted on 09/24/07 at 07:31:19

On 09/24/07 at 02:01:46, Mr. Ken Kennedy wrote:So in WWE, if a heel gets DQd or counted out on purpose to keep a title, that's a SHOOT?
Yeah, probably more so than Vince McMahon screwing Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1997.
C-R-P-L-SPosted on 09/24/07 at 17:56:43

Well, yeah, but that was a work, so it's not saying much!