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Lucha Libre resource...

americamamushiPosted on 06/14/06 at 02:05:13

http://www.luchawiki.com

Obviously you can gather form the site's address it is a wiki... about lucha libre.  Enjoy.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 06/14/06 at 06:16:02

I've been watching lucha on Galavision the past few weekends. It's fun, and different. It's mostly AAA, but some CMLL is on there as well.
Rick GarrardPosted on 06/14/06 at 22:12:57

If you catch the 2am (or thereabouts) Saturday night/Sunday morning show, it is the one with the more up-to-date action, whereas the shows on in the afternoon on Saturdays and Sundays are more of a "Best Of" from AAA and CMLL.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 06/15/06 at 00:00:58

On 06/14/06 at 22:12:57, Rick Garrard wrote:If you catch the 2am (or thereabouts) Saturday night/Sunday morning show, it is the one with the more up-to-date action, whereas the shows on in the afternoon on Saturdays and Sundays are more of a "Best Of" from AAA and CMLL.
It's all AAA now. I just read a report on Wrestling Observer that stated Galavision is not going to air CMLL anymore.

The usual time for AAA is Saturday at 2 PM - 5 PM, then again Sunday Morning at 3 AM to 6 AM. Then on Sunday afternoons from 12 PM to 3 PM. The one on Sunday afternoon is different from the the episode showed on Saturday. Or at least that is how it was last Saturday. The Sunday show is usually called Lucha de Vuelta, and that had been the CMLL show.
Rick GarrardPosted on 06/15/06 at 06:33:47

actually they used to have about an hour of CMLL and then an hour of AAA on all three airings.  The eps in the afternoons are continuing on as best ofs aka the Lucha de Vuelta program, whereas the early morning program is listed merely as Lucha Libre.

As for Lucha de Vuelta being the CMLL that is an incorrect statement, as Galavision was putting both companies on the same show and has been for at least the last 5 years (or as long as I have had Galavision)
HugeRockStar760Posted on 06/15/06 at 06:45:52

On 06/15/06 at 06:33:47, Rick Garrard wrote:actually they used to have about an hour of CMLL and then an hour of AAA on all three airings. The eps in the afternoons are continuing on as best ofs aka the Lucha de Vuelta program, whereas the early morning program is listed merely as Lucha Libre.

As for Lucha de Vuelta being the CMLL that is an incorrect statement, as Galavision was putting both companies on the same show and has been for at least the last 5 years (or as long as I have had Galavision)
Go read the AAA Report on wrestlingobserver.com...They aren't airing CMLL anymore.
Rick GarrardPosted on 06/15/06 at 06:50:48

I didn't say they were currently, I said they used to.  And all three shows used to show some of both company.
Rick GarrardPosted on 07/17/06 at 00:40:56

http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/luchatimes.htm

This site has all upcoming episodes of lucha libre on Galavision that have already occurred listed.  It would appear that they are on a three month delay showing stuff right now.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 07/17/06 at 00:47:05

Is Galavision AAA's only television source? I find it hard to imagine a company being alright with airing episodes three months behind what is going on currently. Unless lucha libre is different in this regard.

Yesterday's Galavision episode was about the Rey de Reyes. That's a pretty good name for a pay per view type event too.

I think next week's AAA show is going to have Samoa Joe involved teaming with Konnan and The Truth. That should be good.
Rick GarrardPosted on 07/18/06 at 00:37:45

Galavision is it as far as US coverage.  I'm sure in Mexico they probably air things a bit more in real time.  It's like back in the mid-90's when several countries were just airing the Von Erich vs Freebirds war in Texas from World Class, which had been over for some time at that point and presenting it as "new".

I really want them to sue Triple H and the WWE over the usage of the King of Kings monniker since that has been a major show for them for years... and Triple H has NEVER won it, yet he claims to be the "Rey de Reyes".  He's a funny man.  
HugeRockStar760Posted on 07/18/06 at 03:36:06

Triple H is a poor man's version of Cibernetico anyways....Well maybe not.

I don't think the copyright laws are in effect in different countries because I know AAA always uses real music instead of generic music for its wrestlers.
Rick GarrardPosted on 07/18/06 at 04:28:33

actually they are in effect, the only problem is why would you sue a country/someone with no monetary value?  Hence why they won't go after them.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 07/19/06 at 17:23:52

On 07/18/06 at 04:28:33, Rick Garrard wrote:actually they are in effect, the only problem is why would you sue a country/someone with no monetary value? Hence why they won't go after them.
AAA must have some value, even if it is a lucha libre promotion in Mexico. They need to start touring the American Southwest because I think their current roster is very marketable.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 08/14/06 at 06:41:43

On 07/17/06 at 00:40:56, Rick Garrard wrote:http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/luchatimes.htm

This site has all upcoming episodes of lucha libre on Galavision that have already occurred listed.  It would appear that they are on a three month delay showing stuff right now.
Unfortunately, that website is now outdated since it appears that Galavision has decided to skip over something like four months of AAA episodes. This weekend's AAA show was taped in July. So now Galavision is only a month behind. They might as well just skip right to the current episode aired in Mexico.

For anyone that is interested in AAA, the main event featured La Parka, Octagon, and Super Porky vs. Muerte Cibernetica, Zumbido, and Shocker. What a hilarious and entertaining match this was. When I say hilarious, I mean the entrances and pre-match antics from Super Porky dancing with the ring girls to La Parka making fun of Shocker for tripping off the ropes to Shocker threatening to leave the ring area if they didn't stop making fun of him. Super Porky was one of the few juniors the WWE were thinking of building that division around, but of course laziness, if not a lack of creative support made that division amount to nothing.

The thing that confuses me about Super Porky is that when he was standing next to Zumbido, he was about the same height. Zumbido is about 5'8" as well, so he's no mini luchador. Guess it was just television adding a few feet in height.

It's too bad the American style of wrestling just couldn't allow for some levity and fun in matches. While it was a competitive match, it seemed like you could tell everyone was having fun out there. I don't get the same vibe when watching RAW and Smackdown. It's too bad the WWE won't allow some wrestlers to just show their personality instead of it being scripted.

I wonder why when lucha promotions have mini matches, they are entertaining while when American promotions attempt them, it is dull, boring, and mostly just a platform for midget jokes. The opening Octagoncito and La Parkita vs. Mini Abismo Negro and Mini Chessman match was really entertaining. If the WWE ever decides to try mini matches again, they need to pattern them after their WWE stars.
Rick GarrardPosted on 08/14/06 at 06:57:47

It's because the american announcers have to "tell a story" and aren't allowed to call play by play like a true sports announcer. Also the US style of wrestling is all about punch, kick, punch, kick, highspot, finisher, instead of telling a story through the in-ring action (gotta follow a script in the US as opposed to calling it on the fly in Mexico). US matches are only allowed from 3 to 5 minutes unless they are a 15 minute TV main event, whereas in Mexico almost all the matches are alloted at least 10 minutes.

And yes Brazo de Plata (Super Porky) is quite the comic wrestler and Shocker was WAY out of his element when he was with TNA.  The only luchadore that actually translated well in the US was La Parka (and no Konnan and his strawberry fool salad tossing rap doesn't count)
HugeRockStar760Posted on 08/14/06 at 07:30:24

TNA probably should adapt more lucha libre elements if they want to really set themselves apart from the WWE. I think TNA needs to decide if they want to be true competition for the WWE or just a WWE light version of that promotion.

I noticed that too about Shocker in TNA. Sort of bland and not as interesting as he is in AAA. I'm like always laughing about something when watching AAA (and I don't mean in a negative way, it's just fun to watch sometimes).

It's too bad I didn't start watching lucha libre on Galavision sooner. They used to have CMLL and it would've been nice seeing an even stricter style of lucha libre. CMLL is on Fox Sports Espanol now but for some reason Directv makes it a subscription channel.

What you said about American wrestling is so true, Rick. Everything is so bland and predictable. Yes, there is only so much you can do with two hours I suppose. But who said there has to be six or seven matches every week? Why not go old school and having a few matches that run longer and TELL A STORY that way. I think it is pathetic that a wrestling promotion has to book matches and storylines to keep a fan's attention span. It's insulting to everyone else that does have an attention span.

The WWE definitely has the workers to put on an entertaining wrestling oriented promotion. And not just from an technical stand point, there's a lot of guys with tons of personality like John Cena that are basically restrained from showing it to the point they are booed out of the arena when they are supposed to be the company's top face.

Since this is a lucha forum I suppose it'll just be you and I discussing this, unless Rob Bihari (that's the last name right) makes his return.
suicidalbynaturePosted on 08/14/06 at 23:45:37

who is the AAA luchadore who is dressed like a scarecrow? I saw a few clips of him on youtube.com and was enthralled. AAA is pretty good stuff and I love the giant corona logo in the center of the ring.
AzraelPosted on 08/15/06 at 01:14:38

who is the AAA luchadore who is dressed like a scarecrow? I saw a few clips of him on youtube.com and was enthralled. AAA is pretty good stuff and I love the giant corona logo in the center of the ring.
That's Halloween. He used to wrestle as Ciclope in WCW. He's a pretty good luchador, but he's getting old and creaky now sadly.
HugeRockStar760Posted on 08/15/06 at 01:54:03

On 08/15/06 at 01:14:38, Azrael wrote:

That's Halloween. He used to wrestle as Ciclope in WCW. He's a pretty good luchador, but he's getting old and creaky now sadly.
Are you sure that's him? It's a group of three and they are referred to as something like Los zapa-something. They seem more like jobbers than anything else but it was funny nonetheless.
AzraelPosted on 08/15/06 at 02:48:01

Now that I've actually looked this up, it's not Halloween. I have no idea why it never occurred to me that someone might have tweaked his old gimmick.

Luchawiki says it's Espantapájaros I:

http://www.luchawiki.com/index.php?title=Espantap%C3%A1jaros_I