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| LillaThrilla | Posted on 03/25/09 at 03:04:59 What are these: Tornado Splash La Quesadora Ringuina Sammartino slingshot Kuishinbo Driver mariachina Maximo Spin surfboard vs standing surfboard vs suspended surfboard? blind foul = low blow? 3/4 facelock flapjack bulldog = flapjack into a cutter? |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 03/25/09 at 03:12:54On 03/25/09 at 03:04:59, LillaThrilla wrote:What are these:according to the big book of wrestling moves site, the 3/4 facelock flapjack bulldog is the Bubba Cutter version of the cutter Ringuina is a type of grounded octopus hold which starts with the opponent standing up, but then takes him/her down to the mat http://www.luchawiki.org/index.php?title=Ringuina Tornado Splash (not sure if this is 100 percent accurate) I think that's just another name for either a Firebird/450 splash, or it's a Phoenix Splash Quesadora is just think is just a Mexican armdrag. Maximo Spin I'm not sure about as it seems that only the Maximo boys call it that hence the name, so it's a gimmick name more than an original name more than likely Blind Foul (I've often got this move through exports, and to this day, I don't know what it is, so I usually delete it and replace it with something else) Sammartino Slingshot (that's the old school move, at least I think that's the move it is, where you put your opponent under the rope and do a slingshot on him and he/she hits his/her throat on the rope as he/she comes up. Kuishinbo Driver (I beleive that's just Kuishinbo Kamen's name for a Michinoku Driver II) Mariachina sounds like a misspelling of http://www.luchawiki.org/index.php?title=La_Marciana |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 03/25/09 at 07:17:08 I thought the Quesadora was the tilt-a-whirl backbreaker in Mexico |
| Unright | Posted on 03/25/09 at 14:13:11On 03/25/09 at 03:04:59, LillaThrilla wrote:blind foul = low blow?I think a blind foul is any 'foul' strike (low blow, eye gouge, etc.) committed behind the ref's back (hence "blind") |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 03/25/09 at 15:06:39 Sammartino slingshot is a power bomb lift into a Hotshot. Quesadora is a spinning backbreaker. I think a standing surfboard is the submission hold where the wrestler drives a knee into his opponent's back and pulls back on their arms. I just use surfboard to cover all three of the options in my database. No idea about the Maximo Spin. I know it's in the Maximos exports on the main site. Yeah, that 3/4 facelock flapjack bulldog is when a wrestler launches his opponent up in the air and brings them down face-first in an Ace Crusher. |
| Unright | Posted on 03/25/09 at 15:27:48On 03/25/09 at 15:06:39, King_Of_Old_School wrote:I think a standing surfboard is the submission hold where the wrestler drives a knee into his opponent's back and pulls back on their arms. I just use surfboard to cover all three of the options in my database.Really? Crap. What's a bow & arrow submission then? |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 03/25/09 at 15:29:00On 03/25/09 at 15:06:39, King_Of_Old_School wrote:Sammartino slingshot is a power bomb lift into a Hotshot.According to luchawiki, this is the name of the spinning/tilt-a-whirl backbreaker: http://www.luchawiki.org/index.php?title=Quebradora_con_Giro |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 03/25/09 at 15:31:32On 03/25/09 at 15:27:48, Unright wrote:http://www.luchawiki.org/index.php?title=Bow_and_Arrow_Submission |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 03/25/09 at 15:47:26 My bad, quebradora is the spinning backbreaker. Quesadora is a crazy lucha armdrag. |
| Carlzilla | Posted on 03/26/09 at 02:20:30 That also sounds right to me...I get them confused. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 03/26/09 at 03:05:03 Thanks to all the responders! On 03/25/09 at 15:47:26, King_Of_Old_School wrote:Quesadora is a crazy lucha armdrag.Define "crazy"? Spinning? Tilt-a-whirl? Ropeflip? |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 03/26/09 at 03:47:27 Just to muddy the waters, I picked Rob Bihari's brain (authority on all things lucha) and this is what he said: Quesadora? No such thing. Some announcer probably screwed up saying "quebradora" which is any backbreaker. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 03/26/09 at 21:53:45 Apparently, it's a wheelbarrow transition deal that usually winds up as an armdrag. So not actually an offensive move per se. Happens in almost every Chikara match. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 03/27/09 at 03:51:50On 03/26/09 at 21:53:45, King_Of_Old_School wrote:Apparently, it's a wheelbarrow transition deal that usually winds up as an armdrag. So not actually an offensive move per se. Happens in almost every Chikara match.Okay, I think I know what you're talking about; I've seen something like that in the lucha highlights Rob posts on YouTube. |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 03/27/09 at 04:02:43On 03/27/09 at 03:51:50, LillaThrilla wrote:The first time I heard the name, I thought it had something to do with Mexican cuisine |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 03/27/09 at 11:58:56 From ChikaraFans.com: "It's a Wheelbarrow into a Crosshook Armdrag. The term "Quebradora" also gets commonly confused with Quesadora. A Quebradora is basically the term for a Tilt-a-Whirl, which usually then transitions into a Wristdrag or a Backbreaker. I usually consider a Quesadora a Tilt-a-Whirl into a Wristdrag rather than saying "Quebradora Wristdrag"." |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/13/09 at 21:38:10 Is there a term for the move where the attacker picks up his opponent for a bodyslam, but then slams them down to the attacker's side? I guess you could call it a "side bodyslam", but does it have a regular name? |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/13/09 at 21:42:07On 07/13/09 at 21:38:10, King_Of_Old_School wrote:Is there a term for the move where the attacker picks up his opponent for a bodyslam, but then slams them down to the attacker's side? I guess you could call it a "side bodyslam", but does it have a regular name?The move I'm struggling to describe is Aiden Frost's finisher in FCW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGZEy2hHdRo |
| TheImpalerTMX | Posted on 07/14/09 at 00:39:34 KAGETORA (Dragon Gate) does the move and I've seen it referred to as a gutwrench driver. Granted, he does the same move from a fireman's carry position, but I think he has a different name for that. So, either go with that or side bodyslam seems simple enough to me. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/14/09 at 12:05:24 I suppose it's a bit like an Emerald Erosion, only this starts from a bodyslam position instead of a powerslam. |
| TheImpalerTMX | Posted on 07/15/09 at 06:54:57 Yeah, that's exactly what it is. But the Emerald Frosion is the head dropping move, so it is not like say the falcon arrow where you have the regular and the "sheer drop" version. But as I said KAGETORA has been doing it ever since he took up that moniker and it gets called a gutwrench driver. It is one of his trademarks, but when he does it out of a fireman's carry that is usually one of his finishers (and hence I believe has some long Japanese name). I know saying gutwrench makes you think it starts out in a gutwrench suplex position, but the move does end with the gut, well, wrenched. But if you think about it the victim lands almost exactly the same way from the suplex as he does the body slam - it is just where the attacker lands that is different. |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 07/15/09 at 23:59:45On 07/13/09 at 21:42:07, King_Of_Old_School wrote:Could it be a watered down version of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5jNkncayPA |
| TheImpalerTMX | Posted on 07/17/09 at 08:24:42On 07/15/09 at 23:59:45, Drunken Fool wrote:You know, everything looks watered down once you see it done in a joshi match. |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 07/18/09 at 22:50:44 Speaking of moves: What would be the technical name for this: It's Tyson Kiidd's Hart Lock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Pz-FzIS2Q&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div It starts off as like he's going for a sasori gatame/sharpshooter, but then turns it into some sort of armbar or arm scissors submission |
| psz | Posted on 07/19/09 at 03:44:23 The YouTube poster calls it a "Figure Four Triangle Armbar" |
| TheImpalerTMX | Posted on 07/19/09 at 06:17:44On 07/19/09 at 03:44:23, psz wrote:The YouTube poster calls it a "Figure Four Triangle Armbar"Except there is no figure four involved - not in the setup of the legs, nor in the final stage of the hold. Granted that is more because the attacker can't stretch enough to actually get a true figure four on. There triangle armbar is there as long as you clearly distinguish it from a triangle choke. So in trying to come up with a simple name for it... triangle armbar deathlock? It might be one of those cases where the gimmick name is actually the best name for the hold. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/23/09 at 04:05:24On 07/19/09 at 06:17:44, TheImpalerTMX wrote:Armlock inverted deathlock or armbar inverted deathlock. Or yeah, Hart Lock. :P |
| phudjie | Posted on 07/23/09 at 05:42:18 whatever you call it - it looks dumb - I think I saw a move like that in a lesbian porno |
| Wake | Posted on 07/24/09 at 23:29:06 A name like Entrapment Armbar could be generic enough to work not only for Tyson Kidds funky armbar Hart Lock, but mabye for other overly complicated arm lock/bar variations. |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 07/28/09 at 21:24:37On 07/23/09 at 05:42:18, phudjie wrote:whatever you call it - it looks dumb - I think I saw a move like that in a lesbian pornoDon't go knockin' lesbian porn LOL |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/28/09 at 21:31:47On 07/23/09 at 04:05:24, LillaThrilla wrote:I'd probably go with Hart Lock. Only ever seen him use it in FCW. Has it used it in WWE yet? Don't watch much of the E anymore. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 04/08/10 at 11:01:26 I'm thinking I should add the Codebreaker to the TNM move list as it is fast replacing the lung blower as the most overused move in wrestling. What to call it though? Something like "double knee facebuster" or just stick with "Codebreaker"? |
| King Munshun | Posted on 04/08/10 at 18:17:30On 04/08/10 at 11:01:26, King_Of_Old_School wrote:I'm thinking I should add the Codebreaker to the TNM move list as it is fast replacing the lung blower as the most overused move in wrestling. What to call it though? Something like "double knee facebuster" or just stick with "Codebreaker"?TNM 3:16 has it listed as a "double knee strike" with all the associated names listed separately. |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 05/27/10 at 03:43:58 Speaking of moves... I'm updating my old (October 2009) version of Festus, to reflect the Luke Gallows character What I would like to know is what move could I use for the Twelfth Step? It's like some sport of modified spinebuster, but there's an inverted full nelson lift involved. |
| Unright | Posted on 07/04/10 at 15:39:02 Recycling thread... What's this move called?  |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/04/10 at 15:40:41On 04/08/10 at 11:01:26, King_Of_Old_School wrote:I'm thinking I should add the Codebreaker to the TNM move list as it is fast replacing the lung blower as the most overused move in wrestling. What to call it though? Something like "double knee facebuster" or just stick with "Codebreaker"?I'm wondering if a double knee facebuster should be used for moves like the Codebreaker. But for something like the Elijah Express - just a double knee strike without the 'facebuster' aspect - I'm thinking to just lump it in with a high knee. Yeah, Harley Race only used one knee not two but seems close enough to me and not really different for TNM settings. On 07/04/10 at 15:39:02, Unright wrote:What's this move called?Looks like a standing arm triangle choke aka anaconda vise maybe? Who is that choking out CM Punk? Might help us identity the move. EDIT: URL names are tech! LOL It's John Morrison; doesn't help much. Probably just one of those WWEisms of "haha I can use your own finisher on you!" |
| Unright | Posted on 07/04/10 at 17:59:08 Eh.. The Anaconda Vice is a little different..   Note the opponent's arm isn't under their own chin. FWIW, Ross identified it as a "Japanese stranglehold", which I always thought was more of a straitjacket hold (and wikipedia seems to agree). I want to call it a "figure-four sleeper", but I figured I'd consult you guys. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/04/10 at 18:25:44On 07/04/10 at 17:59:08, Unright wrote:FWIW, Ross identified it as a "Japanese stranglehold", which I always thought was more of a straitjacket hold (and wikipedia seems to agree).I'm pretty sure a a Japanese stranglehold aka straightjacket submission involves choking someone with both of their arms not just one (and as a result you end up behind them not to the side). I think a figure four sleeper was a figure four leglock around the victim's neck. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/04/10 at 18:53:30On 07/04/10 at 15:39:02, Unright wrote:Recycling thread...That's a cobra clutch. |
| Unright | Posted on 07/05/10 at 04:28:13On 07/04/10 at 18:53:30, King_Of_Old_School wrote:That's a cobra clutch.Ah, so it is. Thanks King! Obviously I need to go dig up some old Sgt. Slaughter matches.. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/05/10 at 04:34:20On 07/04/10 at 17:59:08, Unright wrote:FWIW, Ross identified it as a "Japanese stranglehold" On 07/05/10 at 04:28:13, Unright wrote:Ah, so it is. Thanks King!JR miscalled a cobra clutch as a Japanese strangehold?! :o |
| Unright | Posted on 07/05/10 at 15:43:16On 07/05/10 at 04:34:20, LillaThrilla wrote:JR miscalled a cobra clutch as a Japanese strangehold?! :oReally? That surprised?? Also: How about this one?  |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/05/10 at 19:47:14On 07/05/10 at 15:43:16, Unright wrote:I'd just call that a neck crank. |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 07/06/10 at 21:33:13 speaking of moves what's the difference between these three moves: backward bridge, double leg cradle, and jack-knife cradle? oh, and have you ever seen this move done in a pro wrestling match? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INZ4wrBbtHg |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/06/10 at 22:48:44 Jackknife cradle:  Double leg cradle:  which I guess is the first step to a jackknife cradle. |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/07/10 at 00:43:37On 07/06/10 at 21:33:13, Drunken Fool wrote:speaking of moves what's the difference between these three moves:I'm still clueless what a backward bridge is supposed to be. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/11/10 at 00:13:41 It's the bridge part of the "rolling reverse cradle into a bridge" move. |
| Unright | Posted on 07/11/10 at 15:39:32 Sorry, one more..  "neck vise" according to Good Ol' JR. Would a three quarters facelock be more appropriate? |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/12/10 at 22:23:52 It's kind of like a cravate:  |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 07/13/10 at 05:51:35 I just posted this for the hell of it :o  |
| LillaThrilla | Posted on 07/14/10 at 05:19:56On 07/13/10 at 05:51:35, Drunken Fool wrote:I just posted this for the hell of itA piledriver that will haunt your nightmares. |
| King_Of_Old_School | Posted on 07/14/10 at 20:21:05 He does a Tombstone like that as well... |
| psz | Posted on 07/15/10 at 00:47:17 ! What country is this in? I need to know where NOT to move to (or whether or not to move OUT now) |
| rey619 | Posted on 07/15/10 at 07:49:49 That has to be the DDT promotion from Japan. |
| Vertigo | Posted on 07/15/10 at 16:31:30 Whole new meaning to the term "package piledriver". |
| Drunken Fool | Posted on 07/17/10 at 02:50:28On 07/14/10 at 20:21:05, King_Of_Old_School wrote:and a Canadian Destroyer, but the most disturbing move that Dabshoku Dino does has to be The Shining Dick here is his top ten moves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZVzASQJwtE |